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Posted 18 June 2008 - 08:45 PM
Damn I got so excited when I saw this on the front page. I thought it was gonna be a contest with something related to wrestling etc, which I used to be a big fan of and made tons of posters and other stuff on. But well its great to know C4D being used for this. In fact I had made a part of an arena with the ring and entrance ramp on C4D a while back. Never completed it but might do it one day. I have never used Maya. Tried using 3DS, but honestly I have found C4D to have a more user friendly environment. Thanks for the read.
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Posted 18 June 2008 - 08:46 PM
LOL - Yeah I thought the image may get a few members going. That's what was supplied so that's what I've used.
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Posted 18 June 2008 - 09:56 PM
nickito, on Thu 19 Jun 2008 03:49pm, said:
is there any real world aplication/demonstration of the method he is using?
i am more familiar with AE then c4d... i want to use them together
i am more familiar with AE then c4d... i want to use them together
have you looked at his site
link at bottom of first post
he has samples and dvd you can buy
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Posted 18 June 2008 - 11:07 PM
Sounds like an amazing guy. I can relate to what he is saying about C4D being user friendly, and being able to get good results fast.
I have to admit when I saw the image for wrestlemania 24 I got a bit excited, all these years I've been watching it and never knew the graphics were done in C4D.
Every time I find out more about what C4D can do makes me love it all the more, and gives me the ideas and drive to try new stuff with it.
Thanks for this Nigel, really interesting read.
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I have to admit when I saw the image for wrestlemania 24 I got a bit excited, all these years I've been watching it and never knew the graphics were done in C4D.
Every time I find out more about what C4D can do makes me love it all the more, and gives me the ideas and drive to try new stuff with it.
Thanks for this Nigel, really interesting read.
Jim
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Posted 19 June 2008 - 12:39 PM
I just recently purchased a DVD tutorial on integrating Cinema 4D into After Effects. It's called "The Bullet" and it walks you through modeling and texturing a bullet, animating the bullet and camera, then importing the C4D render into After Effects and integrating it with live footage. Its pretty sweet. I can provide more specifics if its OK with the Cafe staff.
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Posted 19 June 2008 - 07:08 PM
nickito - You ask about practical examples. You need look no further than your Televsion.
TV USA: ABC, NBC, CBS, ESPN, The Discovery Channel, USA Network, Comedy Central, MTV, The Weather Channel, HGTV (The Home and Garden Network), American Idol & Nashville Star.
TV Canada: MTV Canada, Much Music & Canadian Idol
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Posted 20 June 2008 - 05:59 AM
No offence intended to anyone involved, and I think the end result looks fantastic, but why wasn't the whole thing just done in Cinema 4D? It has all the required elements, and with a bit of tinkering, particles and Pyrocluster and volumetric lights could have easily achieved the same result... Call me a sceptic, but I often come across projects / productions that have used after effects as well as a C4D when it could quite easily have been achieved in C4D alone. With the new MoGraph stuff and easy particle system it's an easy choice for me...
I have not touched on other 3D packages recently (last attempt was Maya back in 2005), but I find Cinema 4D is much more powerfull than people give it credit for. Sure, back in the day After Effects was the cherry on the top when it came to the final result, creating stunning visual effects in a fraction of the time that the same result could be achieved in a 3D package, but these days I don't think there is much in it.
I suppose, being a true 3D'er, I like to create stuff entirely in 3D and use an after effects style package as a last resort or when deadlines are exceptionally tight... it's a creative choice thing I guess... sure I composite multiple 3D renders in a compositing package, but hardly ever anything more than that (bar the occasional effect like an echo or time-lapse thing)
Please don't take this message the wrong way... I was simply wondering why people don't use all the features at once, rather than some modelling here, and some particles there...
Am I doing it wrong?
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EDIT: Just to clarify - I was talking about productions / shots in which there are only 3D elements involved... Live action requires a bit more attention! The scene above appears to be made up from about 4 or 5 different 3D elemtents (models, lights, particles, clouds/smoke and a movie/image plane), which could have all been done in Cinema.
I have not touched on other 3D packages recently (last attempt was Maya back in 2005), but I find Cinema 4D is much more powerfull than people give it credit for. Sure, back in the day After Effects was the cherry on the top when it came to the final result, creating stunning visual effects in a fraction of the time that the same result could be achieved in a 3D package, but these days I don't think there is much in it.
I suppose, being a true 3D'er, I like to create stuff entirely in 3D and use an after effects style package as a last resort or when deadlines are exceptionally tight... it's a creative choice thing I guess... sure I composite multiple 3D renders in a compositing package, but hardly ever anything more than that (bar the occasional effect like an echo or time-lapse thing)
Please don't take this message the wrong way... I was simply wondering why people don't use all the features at once, rather than some modelling here, and some particles there...
Am I doing it wrong?
Peace!
EDIT: Just to clarify - I was talking about productions / shots in which there are only 3D elements involved... Live action requires a bit more attention! The scene above appears to be made up from about 4 or 5 different 3D elemtents (models, lights, particles, clouds/smoke and a movie/image plane), which could have all been done in Cinema.
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Posted 20 June 2008 - 06:34 AM
lordcalder, on Fri 20 Jun 2008 11:59pm, said:
No offence intended to anyone involved, and I think the end result looks fantastic, but why wasn't the whole thing just done in Cinema 4D? It has all the required elements, and with a bit of tinkering, particles and Pyrocluster and volumetric lights could have easily achieved the same result... Call me a sceptic, but I often come across projects / productions that have used after effects as well as a C4D when it could quite easily have been achieved in C4D alone. With the new MoGraph stuff and easy particle system it's an easy choice for me...
I have not touched on other 3D packages recently (last attempt was Maya back in 2005), but I find Cinema 4D is much more powerfull than people give it credit for. Sure, back in the day After Effects was the cherry on the top when it came to the final result, creating stunning visual effects in a fraction of the time that the same result could be achieved in a 3D package, but these days I don't think there is much in it.
I suppose, being a true 3D'er, I like to create stuff entirely in 3D and use an after effects style package as a last resort or when deadlines are exceptionally tight... it's a creative choice thing I guess... sure I composite multiple 3D renders in a compositing package, but hardly ever anything more than that (bar the occasional effect like an echo or time-lapse thing)
Please don't take this message the wrong way... I was simply wondering why people don't use all the features at once, rather than some modelling here, and some particles there...
Am I doing it wrong?
Peace!
EDIT: Just to clarify - I was talking about productions / shots in which there are only 3D elements involved... Live action requires a bit more attention! The scene above appears to be made up from about 4 or 5 different 3D elemtents (models, lights, particles, clouds/smoke and a movie/image plane), which could have all been done in Cinema.
I have not touched on other 3D packages recently (last attempt was Maya back in 2005), but I find Cinema 4D is much more powerfull than people give it credit for. Sure, back in the day After Effects was the cherry on the top when it came to the final result, creating stunning visual effects in a fraction of the time that the same result could be achieved in a 3D package, but these days I don't think there is much in it.
I suppose, being a true 3D'er, I like to create stuff entirely in 3D and use an after effects style package as a last resort or when deadlines are exceptionally tight... it's a creative choice thing I guess... sure I composite multiple 3D renders in a compositing package, but hardly ever anything more than that (bar the occasional effect like an echo or time-lapse thing)
Please don't take this message the wrong way... I was simply wondering why people don't use all the features at once, rather than some modelling here, and some particles there...
Am I doing it wrong?
Peace!
EDIT: Just to clarify - I was talking about productions / shots in which there are only 3D elements involved... Live action requires a bit more attention! The scene above appears to be made up from about 4 or 5 different 3D elemtents (models, lights, particles, clouds/smoke and a movie/image plane), which could have all been done in Cinema.
most of the time companies create a scene/animation for AE so it can me modified and added to later (1 animation can be used at different time) and they can add video without needing to render out a whole animation in c4d again.
another thing is not everyone in the production line might not know how to use c4d (the people that edit the scene to make sure it ready for screening)
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Posted 20 June 2008 - 06:46 AM
aaah, I see, so if you have a large scale production that may take a few months, you can insert each 3D scene as and when it is ready, to help get a feel for the final result... and simply composite the shots as required, or add additional shots if it fits... I admittedly have not worked on any individual scenes that take longer than a month to complete, so the scale of my experience may be smaller than the size of my imagination!
I suppose, if you take I Am Legend, for example, in the scene where he is hunting and the lions come out and take the deer, all that grass / foliage and animals (obviously!) were CG, so I suppose once the scene is set you can chop and change and add-to or cut out certain 3D elements without changin the mood of the scene... makes sense... time for me to get some longer/bigger projects!
thanks. :-D
I suppose, if you take I Am Legend, for example, in the scene where he is hunting and the lions come out and take the deer, all that grass / foliage and animals (obviously!) were CG, so I suppose once the scene is set you can chop and change and add-to or cut out certain 3D elements without changin the mood of the scene... makes sense... time for me to get some longer/bigger projects!
thanks. :-D
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Posted 21 June 2008 - 01:36 AM
Or you want a stock 3d animation that can be used for a variety of applications - but certain aspects need to be customisable, without the hassle of re-rendering the whole 3d scene (2nd picture in the example above - this footage can be replaced whenever without going back into c4d).
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