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#41 megacal

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Posted 07 August 2008 - 07:58 AM

....why not pool our resources?

How about a few volunteers....eg. each one take the same exact scene and render it
on one of the following engines, tweeked as you may...give it your best shot:

1. C4D alone

2. AR

3. VRay

4. Maxwell

5. FinalRender

6. FryRender

7. WhatEverElseIsOutThereRender R1.5003.02 (1 bazillion Euros) [img]http://www.c4dcafe.com/ipb/public/style_emoticons/default/roflmao.gif[/img]

Maybe Kiwi or Damsel could be the referee, give us the .c4d scene????

Then submit the untouched results (no post stuff) for comparison.

I'd be happy to do the stand-alone C4D. :)

Edited by megacal, 07 August 2008 - 09:58 AM.

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#42 StCanas

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Posted 07 August 2008 - 08:16 AM

Spot on Scott.

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Posted 07 August 2008 - 08:20 AM

fair enough point, unlike me to go off in the wrong direction [img]http://www.c4dcafe.com/ipb/public/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif[/img]

as you say

"It does have some very well known problems handling flat surfaces. And dealing with complicated light bounces inside a room.
That's why you'll find it at the top of every wish list out there. "

also very true, someone did a maxwell render here a little while back with some reflective surfaces and the difference was mind blowing.

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#44 megacal

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Posted 07 August 2008 - 11:06 AM

Colibert,

as you have AR & VRay, would you be willing to take the render challenge
if one gets set up, to do the renders in AR & VRay? You seem very adept
at both.
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Posted 07 August 2008 - 11:34 AM

Its unfair for the challenge.

one might have tricks up the sleave that the other is unaware of.

I know i could use some....rrr .........alot more schooling in vray. just to be halfway decent at it.

Finalrender for c4d has its own xpresso editor, weird huh.
Guess its uses all of cinemas attribute nativaly.
Even the material has a xpresso editor to it.

Haven't yet figured that one out yet

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#46 colibert

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Posted 07 August 2008 - 12:01 PM

yeah i would be happy to give it a shot, but as mrkuz says its a bit of a weird challenge, there are lots of littlle tricks people have and use, saying that id be prepared to take a scene and do a straight render from both

im no expert and there are a lot of people of who have better lighting and texturing knowledge than me so it wouldnt be a true test, but then where do you stop, theres always someone who can get more out of things than the last person, and there are a lot more experienced people on here than me

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Posted 07 August 2008 - 12:14 PM

Instead of a challenge, do a homework type of deal with a scene and specified setting,or doesn't cinema log things for ya.
Or a video cast of what your doing any why.


Yeah, alot can be learned from this sort thing

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Posted 07 August 2008 - 02:52 PM

"yeah i would be happy to give it a shot, but as mrkuz says its a bit of a weird challenge, there are lots of littlle tricks people have and use, saying that id be prepared to take a scene and do a straight render from both.
im no expert and there are a lot of people of who have better lighting and texturing knowledge than me so it wouldnt be a true test, but then where do you stop, theres always someone who can get more out of things than the last person, and there are a lot more experienced people on here than me" - Colibert

You're way too modest....I looked at the interior shot that comes up on your gallery, and thought, "Ooooooh! Well done!" (VRay?)......and that's your "early work".

Just thought it would be fun & informative to see the different renders of the same scene.

Thanks for all the helpful feedback.....I'm going to try the Maxwell trial (per Lesia44's suggestion),
probably will wait to see what happens with AR, and maybe even save up for VRay.

Hopefully MAXON is listening to what's been said.

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#49 Horganovski

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Posted 07 August 2008 - 03:24 PM

Always good to remember that some people can produce mind blowing artwork with basic hardware such as this -




[img]http://www.c4dcafe.com/ipb/public/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif[/img] It's all how you use it I guess..

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Posted 07 August 2008 - 03:35 PM

Don't be silly, Caran d'Ache is much better! :)

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#51 megacal

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Posted 07 August 2008 - 04:27 PM

"..mind blowing artwork with basic hardware such as this -"

Yeah, but can it do caustics? [img]http://www.c4dcafe.com/ipb/public/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif[/img]

BTW, I finally found the car (Mazda MX-5) rendered in C4D alone ....awesome!

Someone posted the link to it on the original thread announcing
Damsel's review of VRay for C4D...still can't find the thread(?)

Talk about how mind blowing renders.....top this!!

:)

Edited by megacal, 08 August 2008 - 12:40 AM.

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#52 colibert

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 12:35 AM

thanks for the comment, what living room? the first image or an older one thats in there? the first one is vray the older one is AR, the AR one is shocking in comparison, but thats not down to AR more my inability at the time, could do better with it now.

but im happy to have a go with a scene.

give us informed how you get on with maxwell, i really like what maxwell does but i just dont have the time to learn something else and im still trying to get my head round vray

should never forget the pencil! i really wish i could draw!

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 09:36 AM

shoot man..... you think vray is complicated...... you should take a gander at the vast setting in final render.

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 09:53 AM

Is Final Render actually more complicated than Vray?

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#55 megacal

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 10:30 AM

BTW, did you check out this great render using C4D R8.5 alone (see post #60)?

And his (Arkviz) gallery....the cars & buses! I don't know if they were done the
same way, but are just beautiful.
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#56 StCanas

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 10:40 AM

I remember seeing that one some time ago and being very impressed at what he'd achieved with just core C4D. It would be nice to know what kind of pain he went through to get that result.

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 10:41 AM

yeah have seen that, very nice work
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#58 mrkucz

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 05:38 PM

Don't think he went through much pain.
If you know your way around cinema. then it wouldn't be to hard to set up your polys to take advantage of the rendering system, Most folk have a messed up mesh or a badly deformed mesh with alot of hidden ngons and what-have-ya and expect to hit the "easy fix it all before i render button".

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 05:46 PM

FinalRender has 3 materials which you can choose from... (File -> New Material)

1. FR Material
2. Architectural
3. lightMtl

The FR Material uses a shader tree which looks exactly like the xpresso editor window. You have to choose from a long list of nodes (just like xpresso) to create the shader you want. You have to connect the nodes together. Its just like xpresso, except its for creating custom shaders.

The architectural material looks somewhat like the standard C4D material. The only difference is the name of channels and effects. The purpose for this material is for people who like the C4D interface without having to go through the shader tree.

The lightMtl is for loading light files for real world lighting.

#60 megacal

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 06:02 PM

Maxwell, is well, ....deep! =O

You have 3 workflow choices:
Maxwell_workflow.JPG

I don't know what AR, VRay, FinalRender, or FryRender are like,
but this is pretty complex...I'll have to set aside a chunk of time to get my
head around it.
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