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This is the most disappointing release since I"ve been with MAXON (R13 Studio). A buyout from Adobe would of been better than this. At least the overall cost of subscription would of likely been less. Sounds great for new users looking to get into C4D, but a kick in the nads for MAXON's loyal customers.

Have always looked forward to C4D new info release day. This one has me thinking about other options.

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11 minutes ago, Greatszalam said:

There is no cost difference between the subscription and your MSA, so you're not losing anything. You're just gaining.

 

 

Wrong. You're losing a perpetual software license. You will be paying and paying year by year but never ever owning a license that you can use at your own disposal. Rented software is worthless to me.

 

In addition to that there is the hassle of online activation and periodic online checking. My workstations are offline and currently X-Particles and Cycles 4D are the only exceptions for me and that's already a pain in you know where.

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2 minutes ago, Marander said:

 

Wrong, you're losing a perpetual software license. You will be paying and paying year by year but never ever owning a license that you can use at your own disposal. Rented software is worthless to me.

At work, we upgrade every year, so, it's the same to us, but yes, this does remove the option to stop paying and keep software at whatever year it was you paid.

 

HOWEVER, if you then decide to hop back on the C4D train, you're not penalized for skipping a version like you used to be. So...call it even? I mean, if you really need to hop back into it, you can subscribe for just a month, mess with your files and then let it lapse again, so it's pretty flexible.

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11 minutes ago, Jimh said:

This is the most disappointing release since I"ve been with MAXON (R13 Studio). A buyout from Adobe would of been better than this. At least the overall cost of subscription would of likely been less. Sounds great for new users looking to get into C4D, but a kick in the nads for MAXON's loyal customers.

Have always looked forward to C4D new info release day. This one has me thinking about other options.

Try the demo, then judge. ;) They didn't include every single improvement and there are plenty. Unfortunately some are not visible but they will be...


| MAXON Quality Assurance Specialist | 3D Asset Creatior | C4D Cafe Manager | Gamer in Heart | :compEnjoy:

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if you own a license you don't loose it. keep it if your afraid of subscriptions.

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11 minutes ago, Marander said:

 

Wrong. You're losing a perpetual software license. You will be paying and paying year by year but never ever owning a license that you can use at your own disposal. Rented software is worthless to me.

 

In addition to that there is the hassle of online activation and periodic online checking. My workstations are offline and currently X-Particles and Cycles 4D are the only exceptions for me and that's already a pain in you know where.

 

I agree 100%.

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Phew, what a disappointment. Seems cheaper at first sight, but having to choose between never owning a version or having a full license without access to cineversity and Plugins is cruel. I only occasionally have Cinema 4D jobs. I could only subscribe for when I have a job that needs Cinema 4D. But that also means not being able to open my own files without paying the monthly fee first. This feels very wrong. 
 

feature wise the future looks really bleak: many things promised for years still not here. Looking at Adobes model here, ßi think we can expect even less meaningful features every year, because subscription money is coming in anyways. 
 

i hate Blender, but I just bought a beginners book on Amazon. 

 

I was such a Cinema 4D fanboy since R14. So disappointed :-(

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20 minutes ago, Adrien said:

I’m a bit disappointed at this presentation. The teasing was quite pompous, just to announce a subscription model in the end.  It will mainly benefit to new or non-studio users but not to historical Studio users like me. MAXON wants to recruit new users. Fair enough but what’s in for me, if I just want to renew my MSA once a year as I have for the last decade?  Why should I lose Cineversity? Why should premium users take a toll? 

Spending so much time on the pricing model and so little time on the actual new features was also quite frustrating and added up to the disappointment although I understand that it’s not Dave’s job to do an in-depth product demo.

 

Strangely enough, for the first time in a decade, I have almost no idea at what’s new in R21 apart from a new license server, a new pricing model, a global E-com site etc.  I kind of miss the magic of every year’s announcement. Anyway, at least MAXON kept a perpetual license model with annual upgrades similar to the MSA scheme. I remember asking Dave to keep it on this forum so thanks for listening. :) 

I just can’t understand why we lost cineversity. 

Sorry for sounding so negative, I just think that I’m not in the target audience for this whole price overhaul and the new product features kind of got lost in the way. 

So are you having a flashback to R17?  Didn't they also build that one up as a major titanic shift to the 3D world? Whereas with R20, they were quite modest. 

 

So I guess the rule is that if the MAXON publicity department swings into over-drive ahead of a release announcement, we should lower our expectations.  Also, the technical glitches to Dave's presentation did not help  Interesting that in the 10 minutes spent on features, the slide presentation went all over the place.  The 20 minutes on subscriptions and everything becomes stable.  Go figure.

 

So I am not disappointed because I sensed that R21 was going to be so-so and did not hope for much.  Still disappointed about the lack of improvements to the symmetry tool but I will admit the that the bevel improvements are very nice.

 

So when can we find out what "discounts" they are giving to Studio MSA  holders?  When will my MAXON portal be open for business?  Like Dave's presentation, for me it now becomes all about the money!!!

 

Dave

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For me, the only thing that didn’t make me frown was the addition of Mixamo support, I have wanted an easy non tech pipeline for animating people for a long time, may just get r21 then learn all it has to offer and look at other tools....blender?

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People keep comparing this to Adobe in a negative light, but After Effects has been adding some major new features lately as well as addressing huge things that users have been asking for for years. Most of those things (Content Aware Fill for video excepted) wouldn't have been added under the perpetual licensing model because, even though they're extremely useful, they aren't flashy.

Subscriptions incentivise a company to KEEP us happy instead of trying to get us to pay for upgrades. So, instead of coming up with half-baked and useless features that look flashy in the marketing, but are actually useless (like AE's ray-traced renderer), they can add things that are actually useful (like the ability in AE to reference another layer WITH it's masks and effects, or, heck, AE's Master Properties). I'm hopeful that C4D does that as well (but, I hope they keep with their famous stability). 

 

As to MAXON's bluster before the announcement, I assumed it would be something like this. It's not a game-changing feature, but it does have the potential to be an industry-changing move. With the price at $60 a month, it puts HUGE pressure on the other DCCs to respond with their pricing.

 

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I can't remember if you have to 'activate' R20 when installing it or not. Will I still be able to move R20 to a new computer in the future? Or will MAXON steal that option from me too?

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2 minutes ago, Unstable said:

I can't remember if you have to 'activate' R20 when installing it or not. Will I still be able to move R20 to a new computer in the future? Or will MAXON steal that option from me too?

You don't have to activate it online now, no.

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