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I just saw that Autodesk announced indie licenses for Maya/Max at a very aggressive entry price.

It's a just a pilot for the time being  but definitely what MAXON should have done instead of reshuffling their whole offer, which in the end costs more to everyone. 

I guess AD saw an opportunity to recruit new indie users on top of big studios, and compete with C4D on this segment. 

 

 

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What happens to MSA contracts with local distributors? I guess they are automatic canceled.... right? (No word from my reseller so far)

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52 minutes ago, Macgyver said:

The bad stuff with Maxons new pricing options keeps piling up while digesting the news. It seems there are even more people harmed by this than I anticipated first: For example, people with MSAs for Prime will pay much more in the future for example. So much for “cheaper”. Every option in the new pricing models seems to have serious disadvantages for someone.

 

Maybe, if there is any heart in this company’s management left, it helps if everybody with concerns and disadvantages through these changes writes a feedback directly to MAXON. Not a rant, but a legitimate, friendly mail explaining the concerns. 

 

I guess their management won’t bother reading forum posts. But I hope there is a more direct feedback line that actually reaches them.

 

Yeah I mean they basically killed all the cheaper-than-studio options and they try to sell it as "cheaper pricing". lol. Look MAXON, we're not stupid. We can calculate what a monthly cost works out to in a year. Just because it's "only 49,99 per month" doesn't make it actually cheaper. My previous monthly cost was less than 25,- and it gave me almost all the features I needed.

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18 minutes ago, Igor said:

They will read forums and we will send them email about everything here and Dave will be personally informed about all of this. One of the benefits of C4D Cafe. ;)

Dear Igor, with all due respect to you, David and the whole MAXON team, R21 and the whole communication around the new subscription model have both been very disappointing for a majority of existing users. We will all be paying more in the end, that's now very clear. And perpetual license users will lose benefits. 

2 suggestions:

-Keep the MSA scheme: 1 perpetual license subscription, no online activation. Full access to cineversity 

-Overhaul the annual subscription scheme: there is not enough there to justify the loss of a perpetual license for existing users. Add Redshift to the package and I'm sure people will be a lot more willing to opt in  

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39 minutes ago, Simmy said:

 

For those who have used R21. Is the vuewpotrt any faster?

yes, it is... how much depends on what you're doing of course. the most significant performance boost is probably the f-curves editor, you can have a big f-curves editor window open now while animating and it doesn't slow down the viewport much. in general everything feels snappier.

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9 minutes ago, Adrien said:

Dear Igor, with all due respect to you, David and the whole MAXON team, R21 and the whole communication around the new subscription model have both been very disappointing for a majority of existing users. We will all be paying more in the end, that's now very clear. And perpetual license users will lose benefits. 

2 suggestions:

-Keep the MSA scheme: 1 perpetual license subscription, no online activation. Full access to cineversity 

-Overhaul the annual subscription scheme: there is not enough there to justify the loss of a perpetual license for existing users. Add Redshift to the package and I'm sure people will be a lot more willing to opt in  


And consider adding some indie-license option for a lower price. Perhaps with some limitations (I think Houdini indie has a render-size limitation) that are easier to handle than actual different feature sets of prime/broadcast/visualise. Certainly if Autodesk are offering affordable indie-licenses for Max and Maya it seems silly to try and force everyone into the most expensive version of C4D.
It's always funny how companies try to justify removing choice (and only leaving the most expensive option of course) by claiming the previous way of doing things was "confusing" for customers. Same thing happened with Adobe. I used to pay for their video collection (or whatever it was called) before they switched to CC, which only included AE, Photoshop, Illustrator and Premiere. Just what I needed. Now with CC it's all or nothing. I pay more for the privilige of getting a load of apps I don't use.

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Since I heard, that the new CEO comes from this Company with the so called "Creative Cloud", I was afraid of, that these Inventors of Software Hiring will eat up MAXON. I can´t see any advantage of hiring my tools and even in case of Adobe there wasn´t any. Is there any real "must have" innovation since the establishment in 2012? I would say only a few. Software Development stopped or the features are pumping up the Apps in a senseless way. PS CS6 isn´t slower than PS CC today. No new killer features. The only thing happend is that Adobes market price exploded to nearby 1000% since 2012! Clearly to see, what happens here: You should no longer "own" your software. They want you to pay for ever. For those, who suggest writing to MAXONs new Managment: Forget it. These Adobe-Style-Software-Companies are interessted in money - not in clients satisfaction. I wonder how long the MSA Contracts will exist. I wonder how long you can own Cinema. The Option of "Not only rent" was my big argument for Cinema. If this will fail in the future, I will definately leave and can decide between all this "Hire your Tools" Providers. And the distance to the Number One solution isn´t that great any longer. Once you will go through bad times - Loose your Works. And a question of time how long Computers will start up when your bank Account says no. And I bet my A.. that Cinema will be labeled Adobe in a foreseeable time. They don´t know what to do with their money - And they never developed on their own. They bought. Good Luck, Cinema, with this new, so modern CEO. LOL.

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4 minutes ago, Raischub said:

who suggest writing to MAXONs new Managment: Forget it.

Last thing you should do!

4 minutes ago, Raischub said:

These Adobe Style-Software-Companies are interessted in money and not in clients satisfaction.

I agree, in the end its bussines and of course you want to do what you think its the best for your company. But, becasue of that, Maxon will be able to grow and its already growing. It was mnuch different just few years ago. Nemecheck Invested in Redshift, which actually shows you Maxon is here to compete and be the best, at least being the best is something Dave wants, but only time will tell is that true, at least we should give him a chance, lots of good stuff happend since he is here. Lets see what happens next...


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The only thing I didn't like about this new deal ... is that I have to fork it up-front. If it was indeed monthly, then yes. The way it stands, it's a lot cheaper to just rent Max and Maya together. That's a bit of a missed opportunity.

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20 minutes ago, Igor said:

..lots of good stuff happend since he is here. ...

I Think Release 20 was long in the Pipe before he came. He´s in for one Year. And the Development-Time was before his period. So, the great things he changes are happening now. And these things are exactly what I expected. Maybe, Cinema will grow once they act Adobe-Style or are a part of Adobes "Creative" Cloud (which will be bit more expensive then, and which everyone has to pay for, regardless of he needs Cinema or not). And maybe a Company has to prioritize money instead of users interessts. But as a User I have to prioritize my aspects. Hiring Tools, Loosing Work (in case of bad times or chnanging my software), Renting things I don´t use (in big Packages), Paying in rates (Vs foreseeable costs with money I own today) - is nothing I want. And by the way: After you are in dependence - Why should they develop any longer? In Case of Adobes so called "Creative Cloud" (what´s Cloud here?): Name me 5 absolutely Killer-Features, they introduced since 2012... Things you can´t live without? I hope companies like Affinity will grow.

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I started with R6. At that time Cinema was still a small fish in the pond but MAXON was good at catching up and implementing the most important features, sometimes better sometimes worse.
For some years now I don’t feel Cinema is catching up with the competition. MAXON also seems to be aware of this and they justify the always rather subtle innovations with the fact that a new core is programmed, which then forms the basis for groundbreaking innovations.
Unfortunately, the groundbreaking innovations seem to be a long time coming.
And also the performance improvements, which one could have expected after renewing the core, are rather isolated solutions. Who is helped by a multi-instance if the real problem is a slow object manager?
Instead, a lot of energy is put into diverse material systems and renderers that are of no use to anyone. Prorender was a mistake right from the start. It would have made much more sense to implement cycles.
Long-time users are now rewarded with the ability to decide. Either they let the software they’ve spent a lot of money on get outdated, and enter a rental system that leaves them without access to their own files as soon as they leave. Or they do without Cineversity access and are at a disadvantage when it comes to updates.
In addition, an online obligation is introduced, which in connection with the reduction of downloadable old versions actually forbids the term perpetual license.

MAXON of course had to introduce a rental option from a business point of view, to reduce the entry threshold. There is no way around this after the unfortunate success of Adobe, . But, of course, they could have been more sensitive to their old customers. If the recently upgraded MSA had simply continued to run and a free Redshift license had been added, nobody would have complained.

However, MAXON is now a subsidiary of Nemechek. And I’m afraid that’s where the problem lies. Profits that must have been made in the last 15 years were probably more likely to be skimmed off than to go into development, otherwise we would have noticed a faster development than 10 years ago.

Of course, the employees and even the managing director of MAXON have little to do with that.

 

No matter what MAXON’s intentions were. Those who have never owned Cinema can cheer.

Those who have supported this company for many years pay the price.

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Seems that there are mixed opinions about the upcoming change. I don't know much about the intricate details regarding how MSA customers or perpetual license owners will benefit from this change, however, I would advise that we all wait for proper detailed information before starting bashing :)

Now, there are couple of things to be aware of:

 

1. Now you are able to buy C4D easily from anywhere. That was not the case before and is something that didn't affect people in the West much, but it sure did elsewhere. I recall that buying through my local distributor was a nightmare, with much larger price and long waiting period. That is gone now

 

2. Subscription will obviously provide the opportunity for much more people that are interested in C4D to actually use it on shorter term basis if needed.

 

3. The cost of C4D is much lower now, isn't it?

 

4. Bundling all editions into one version is huge benefit. This coupled with online shop, online help, online delivery simply leads to more development time for features

 

5. Perpetual license is still here and you still have the option to own it?

 

6. Redshift bundle is really good offer

 

7. I am bit tired of it, and answered it in topics and many private messages - Adobe is not buying C4D


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