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Well well. Yet another release from MAXON that confirms I was right to jump ship to Modo when R17 came out. A few nice enhancements in R21 but where's the new UV toolset? Looks to me as though the faster object handling / new core that handles UVing still isn't finished. Looks like I can leave my Bodypaint tutorials up for yet another year.

 

My guess is a lot of Cinema 4D hobbyists will jump ship to Blender 2.8. 

 

Cheers everyone :)

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6 minutes ago, 3DKiwi said:

Well well. Yet another release from MAXON that confirms I was right to jump ship to Modo when R17 came out. A few nice enhancements in R21 but where's the new UV toolset? Looks to me as though the faster object handling / new core that handles UVing still isn't finished. Looks like I can leave my Bodypaint tutorials up for yet another year.

I think youll soon realize that was a mistake. I dont see Modo doing anything lately, or any other 3D company that breaks and melts internet with announcments. Once you guys try new C4D you will soon realize that you dont need ground breaking features to makes a good release. There were tons and tons minor improvements and C4D now almost feels like completly new app. I mentioned couple of times, once you are on R21, there is no going back to R20...

Regarding Blender, its great, much better than before, but defintely not perfect. Working with Object Manager is total pain in the butt...etc. I tried every software out there and I am always coming back to C4D.


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19 minutes ago, hikarubr said:

The subscription price of Cinema 4D R21 seems reasonable until you discover that Autodesk just released Maya Indie for only CDN$324 per year (CDN$27 per month) if you make less than U$100.000 per year:

 

https://area.autodesk.com/maya-indie/

 

Keep in mind that this is not the crippled MAYA LT version. This is the full blown Maya. 

 

MAXON needs a indie version of Cinema 4D ASAP. Between Blender 2.8 and this new Maya Indie it will be hard to justify Cinema 4D for new users. 

Maya Indi is very cheap at £275 plus vat, although a pop up window said it was a limited time offer, that sounds a bit odd if this is meant to be a new licence permanent offer.  Try adding 3 years and that offer vanishes off the cart?  As for Blender, great advancements but still a way off for me compare it to C4D ease of use and navigation.

 

Dan

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And its region locked...plus done more shady tactics, lolz...


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I'd rather stop with 3D entirely than giving Autodesk a single cent. They're an extremely shady company and a very good example of some corporate overlord that does not care about it's users AT ALL.

 

People keep whining about C4D and the "bad updates" we get every year but I bet most of them have never seen and used the disastrous releases that Maya and especially 3DS Max get ever single year.

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14 hours ago, Burntys said:

My only concern with subscription software is what I have seen from Adobe. Adobe has become more disappointing over the years, with innovation eventually devolving to lackluster updates every year. Subs are ok, but they eventually lead to companies focusing on getting their investors a paycheck, while they gradually reduce the amount spent on RandD and innovation since they don't have to really sell their product to customers annually anymore.

I LOVE C4D and what it has done over the years, but this makes me kind of think the future is going to be users eventually becoming less important than investors. I hope competition with Maya, Blender, and Houdini will at least keep them on their game.

 

The problem with Adobe is not so much the subscription, but the lack of competition.

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So as a Broadcast-edition user it seems like I'll be forced into what used to be Studio and equivalent pricing...
Broadcast MSA was 285,- Euro a year. Very affordable to me as a mostly hobbyist user. I don't often use C4D professionally. New subscription is 599,88 a year. More than double the price for a lot of stuff that I don't use or need. :(
Thanks for this "new low price" MAXON. It's only a lower price if you were already a Studio user. For everybody else the price is now doubled.

Ok, the faq states that I would be eligable for a discount on the subscription so that it becomes similar to my previous MSA price, for two years. So that's ok I guess. But after that I'll still be paying double than what I was previously paying.


 

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10 hours ago, teknow said:

I feel much better now about my decision to stay at 19.063 but always upgrading my X particles. X particles seems way ahead of C4D.

I did exactly the same. I stayed with R19 and invested in Xparticles, Octane and Substance to fill the massive gaps in C4d. Seems we did the right thing. Very thin release this R21

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37 minutes ago, Igor said:

There were tons and tons minor improvements and C4D now almost feels like completly new app

Is this the complete feature list or there are more small changes? https://www.MAXON.net/en/products/cinema-4d/new-in-release-21/complete-feature-list/

I think the problem is that all those small features not showed or talked about enough. 

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I'm happy with the subscription pricing and this announcement was kind of anticipated a few months back in the pricing thread.

 

Looking forward to seeing the pricing for moving from perpetual over to sub.

 

I upgraded to R20 with the intention of paying MSA each year to stay on the upgrade path. I see the subscription as more or less the same overhead I was preparing for. Using a few monthly subscriptions (octane, CSS) I'm comfortable to go subscription for C4D at the current price.

 

Will wait and see, but am staying optimistic.

 

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