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3 minutes ago, Hrvoje said:

Then why it is still MAXON owned? How come after years of same disinformation Adobe didn't buy C4D? It is either not for sale or Adobe is not interested...

There were many signals in the past, that Adobe is getting warm with MAXON (Bridge AE / C4D...) Now we have a nice Ex-Adobe CEO sitting in the Head-Quarter at MAXON. We can see, that there are the same efforts to make users dependend (How long will teher be perpetual licenses?). We can see smaler Feature Lists with Updaes (Version 21 seems to have none, without a new licensing model). I think it´s no decession from one day to the next for Adobe to buy... Again I bet my A... that Cinema will be under Pirates, Sorry, Adobes flag in a foreseeable future. There whre many companies, which were not for rent in the past (Fotolia for example...). But: Adobe was a monopolist, when they forced their users into this "Creative" cloud. MAXON is not. Pricing is near the competitors now. The Advatage of perpetual is a question of time (if it´s not already gone - I don´t know how to read MAXONs Explanations exactly - what´s after 2 years?). If C4D will be C4D in the future - Time will tell. But your arguments don´t convince me. May be Autodesk will be my future...

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5 minutes ago, hvanderwegen said:

 

 InDesign was developed in-house, from scratch. Some people think it was a continued development based on Pagemaker, but that is not the case.

 

And others were developed by Adobe: Brackets, Muse, Edge Animate, mobile versions, and so on.

InDesign was developed by Aldus and not by Adobe. It had the Name K2 before Adobe... (> Wikipedia)

And are Brackets / Muse / Edge Anmiate the Top Dogs of Adobe???

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2 minutes ago, Raischub said:

InDesign was developed by Aldus and not by Adobe. It had the Name K2 before Adobe... (> Wikipedia)

And are Brackets / Muse / Edge Anmiate the Top Dogs of Adobe???

 

Oops! I stand corrected. Still, even if InDesign was started by Aldus, as far as I can tell the majority of the software was developed in Adobe hands. Even version 1 was finished by Adobe. And version 1 was unusable for professional work.

 

Aside from this, software like Photoshop and Illustrator have seen so much continued development under Adobe, it is questionable whether it matters whether they acquired the software so long ago. Photoshop was acquired in the first half of the nineties, I believe. Can't really compare that version with the current one and still state that Adobe only relies on buying out other companies.

 

As for certain Adobe software being top dog, or not: doesn't matter in the light of refuting your comment that all software Adobe market(s)(ed) was acquired - that is just not the case. They continue to create new software, as well as buying software such as Substance.

 

Just saying it is not a black-and-white situation.

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5 minutes ago, hvanderwegen said:

As for certain Adobe software being top dog, or not: doesn't matter in the light of refuting your comment that all software Adobe market(s)(ed) was acquired - that is just not the case. They continue to create new software, as well as buying software such as Substance.

Truley Adobe developed smaler Apps on their own. They started with the development of Fonts.
But all the TopDogs, all what made Adobe great was not developed by Adobe. I think, most of us know them because of PS, AE, InDes, Illustrator or Flash. And all of these were not developed InHouse. Yes, there were new features (also becuase in most cases Adobe bought the complete Software-Houses), but since they established their "Cloud" - these features get less and less with all the updates. Why should they develop when they get their money anyway (and usersdon´t have to decide if this upgrade is worth the price)?

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39 minutes ago, Raischub said:

InDesign was developed by Aldus and not by Adobe. It had the Name K2 before Adobe... (> Wikipedia)

No it's Pagemaker that was developped by Aldus and bought by Adobe.  Indesign was released 5 years later. 

 

I'm personally quite glad for the new subscription option and the versions simplification is long overdue but they should probably also release a indie version like the competition. That said I'm sure it's a good under-the-hood release but it's more a .5 version like MAXON accustomed us every two years.

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Adobe's entire universe is based on their development of the Postscript language. That is was started the desktop publishing revolution, fonts and scalable graphics. The rest is mostly to get Postscript used in every graphics shop.

 

At least that's my fuzzy recollection from 1989.

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13 minutes ago, Raischub said:

But all the TopDogs, all what made Adobe great was not developed by Adobe. I think, most of us know them because of PS, AE, InDes, Illustrator or Flash. And all of these were not developed InHouse. Yes, there were new features (also becuase in most cases Adobe bought the complete Software-Houses), but since they established their "Cloud" - these features get less and less with all the updates. Why should they develop when they get their money anyway (and usersdon´t have to decide if this upgrade is worth the price)?

 

So you would argue that Photoshop and InDesign were not developed by Adobe? Perhaps not the very first version, but the majority of the functionality was developed by Adobe.

 

It's not as if Photoshop v1 hasn't seen any development since 1990.

 

So in my view by far the most of development of Photoshop and InDesign was done in-house by Adobe. Same for Illustrator. These applications have not suddenly stopped being worked on when Adobe acquired them. Quite the opposite.

 

Now, whether the advent of the 'cloud' and subscriptions have done them any good? I agree with you that development has stagnated and lagged since then.

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 I really hope with the Subscription Model that MAXON will be releasing Monthly updates with Tweaks and new features.

they no longer need to wait 12 months between releases. which is great.

 

Looking forward to seeing R21.1 in October and R22.2 in November etc.

MAXON also start using a Feature Voting system for your users to submit requests and have other vote them so the most popular features get developer resources

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I was very unhappy yesterday with both the R21 release and MAXON's announcements regarding licensing. Today I choose to see the positives:

 

-I’m about to save some money. The money that MAXON would have received will stay in my pocket.

-Get to learn new things and expand my toolset w/a renewed focus on Unity and a fresh focus on Blender. No hurry learning Blender though, as…

-I will continue to enjoy the R20 that I purchased and won’t have to spend hours this fall (and more dollars) fussing with rebuilding my plugin library

-Down the road if a new version of c4d is so compelling that it compensates for my distaste for subscriptions, I can always course correct.

 

Lemonade from Lemons. I’m not going to fuss over this, or try to persuade anyone else. I won’t be bitter, or make declarations. Just act appropriately for me.

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From what I'm seeing ... not everybody is happy with these news. I wonder how MAXON will reply. If nothing changes, then they are on an Adobe/Autodesk path and we shouldn't expect that. 

 

In any case, interesting times ahead.

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