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50 minutes ago, RBarrett said:

The 14-day connection is primarily to enable users - perpetual or subscription - to switch between systems where Cinema 4D is activated. You can remotely sign-out of a system in order to grab its license. To make that work the signed out system needs to connect periodically to know it's signed out.

 

The 3 year retirement clause is about download and support. It's necessary to limit the resources we have to put into older releases and also to manage possible changes in terms for licensed technology. 

 

 

Hi Rick!

what is wrong with the current licensing system? I have C4D installed on my PC and laptop. No hassle at all. Why did you have to change that? Why do you feel the need to control and "punish" your paying customers? You won't prevent piracy. That is for sure. I am just disappointed by your new business strategy, the direction MAXON is heading the lack-luster R21 release on top of that. R21 will be my last version as I am slowly switching to Blender and Houdini/Solaris.

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43 minutes ago, RBarrett said:

 

Yep - though I'm confident we'll be able to deliver features in the next 3 years that you won't be able to resist. 

 

 

 

Hi Rick, I don't think it's the tease of new features (which of course we all want) I think it's more being able to get at older configurations. There are many older plugins that are great but only work in r16 or some other old version. Fact is, we have to have r19 available just to open older files from before r12. So we'll always need r19 lurking around. The new "whole world" mass appeal user may never use all the crazy add-ons that are available - and that's great for them. But I think Dave & Co really didn't consider the long-time, hardcore studio user who is actually making the bulk of what is being shown in the commercial space. Can that need be communicated - will they listen you (and us) on this point? Just have an archive that is "unsupported" for the known unknown.

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1 hour ago, renegade said:

Hi Rick, I don't think it's the tease of new features (which of course we all want) I think it's more being able to get at older configurations. There are many older plugins that are great but only work in r16 or some other old version. Fact is, we have to have r19 available just to open older files from before r12. So we'll always need r19 lurking around. The new "whole world" mass appeal user may never use all the crazy add-ons that are available - and that's great for them. But I think Dave & Co really didn't consider the long-time, hardcore studio user who is actually making the bulk of what is being shown in the commercial space. Can that need be communicated - will they listen you (and us) on this point? Just have an archive that is "unsupported" for the known unknown.

 

I hope we'll get to a point of less fragmentation - we've just eliminated the differences caused by the editions and I'll be working with both customers and partners to try to achieve faster updates . We'll also be trying hard not to change the file format again (it's worth noting that it's changed once in 20 years, and even then it's still backwards-compatible 8 releases). By the way, if you haven't done so already I recommend grabbing the Scene Updater from MAXON Labs that makes it easy to bulk-convert your pre-R12 scenes in R19. 

 

We know there's always short-term compatibility issues and it's helpful to keep projects in a specific release, which is why we plan to maintain access to older versions. We may have to retire releases more than 3 years old from time to time for practicality reasons or situations outside our control, but as anyone who's contacted our tech department knows they go above and beyond to help our customers when they get into a bind.

 

 

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4 hours ago, RBarrett said:

The 14-day connection is primarily to enable users - perpetual or subscription - to switch between systems where Cinema 4D is activated. You can remotely sign-out of a system in order to grab its license. To make that work the signed out system needs to connect periodically to know it's signed out.

 

The 3 year retirement clause is about download and support. It's necessary to limit the resources we have to put into older releases and also to manage possible changes in terms for licensed technology. 

 

Rick,

 

another question.  in the past, if I recall correctly, we could install C4D on a thumb drive.  can that still be done with R21?

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13 hours ago, RBarrett said:

 

Yep - though I'm confident we'll be able to deliver features in the next 3 years that you won't be able to resist. 

 

 

Rick,

in those three years (and onwards), will perpetual licenses still be available to upgrade / buy? If this is something you don't want to answer, let me know and I'll stop asking.

Also, for those of us who won't rent software, can I ask that Cineversity and CV plugins be reconsidered for perpetual users?

Seems more punitive than practical to take those away. 

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11 hours ago, bobc4d said:

Rick,

 

another question.  in the past, if I recall correctly, we could install C4D on a thumb drive.  can that still be done with R21?

R21 is still self contained, but thanks to many restrictions placed on us by the makers of operating systems, mostly security related, we are limited in what we can do. For example changes to the installation folder are basically forbidden outside of updates. This makes it neccesary to split some things off and store them in other places by default. So far we were able to accomodate this. For example with the new node based assets we introduced an easy way to define locations where assets are stored and we will continue to refine this.

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On 7/30/2019 at 3:33 PM, Igor said:

Trust me every single developer, QA, Designer etc. knows what we need, what we lack, I am not sure why people think we don't know that. What people need to realize is that some things in programming are not so easy, actually it's complex beyond everything you might think. Great things require more time in development. 

 

Well said!

 

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With the loss of an MSA, can a perpetual license or R20 still be installed on two machines, just so long as only one version of c4d is running? Being able to install on say a desktop and a laptop?

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As there are some MAXON representatives on this side. could You please comment on this information found in the site of greyscalegorilla. https://greyscalegorilla.com/2019/08/cinema-4d-redshift-subscription/#more-563297

 

MAXON told Greyscalegorilla that the MSA program will no longer continue, and that C4D release updates will be managed by the new MyMaxon service.

If your MSA contract extends beyond Sept 1st, you’ll receive Cinema 4D R21 Perpetual in early September. You can convert your license to a Cinema 4D subscription at any time prior to the expiration of your MAXON Service Agreement. When you convert to a subscription, we’ll credit any remaining time on your MAXON Service Agreement in addition to a nice discount. ..........

That said, a perpetual license does not include future releases, so if you want R22 next year, you would need to buy a new $3,000+ perpetual license. So if you plan on staying up to date with the latest version, the subscription service does make the most sense if you plan to continually update the software.

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26 minutes ago, Jops said:

As there are some MAXON representatives on this side. could You please comment on this information found in the site of greyscalegorilla. https://greyscalegorilla.com/2019/08/cinema-4d-redshift-subscription/#more-563297

 

Not sure where they got that. We'll have upgrade pricing for perpetual releases.

 

What is true is that R21 Perpetual will always be R21 perpetual - it won't include future releases. But that's the way it's always been.

 

We've emailed the GSG guys to clarify and get it corrected on their site.

 

 

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Thanks Rick for clarifying this that fast...crazy days for you, hopefully you can get some vacation after all this. :smiley-gen053: 


| MAXON Quality Assurance Specialist | 3D Asset Creatior | C4D Cafe Manager | Gamer in Heart | :compEnjoy:

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@RBarrett maybe also state this on maxons twitter page, since it got shared by MAXON and already retweetet a couple of times. also check cgtalk, you might also wanna leave a statement there... i thought this must be for real, since MAXON shared it. really glad this isn't true :D

 

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