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8 minutes ago, Unstable said:

Thanks. I'm not sure what RLM stands for (Remote License Management maybe?) But does this mean that the I would be able to use R21 perpetual even if it didn't make the call home at the 14 day mark? I (and I think many others) are under the impression that if it hasn't connected within 14 days, it stops working until the software can connect to re-activate.

 

RLM (Reprise License Management) is a third-party licensing system used by many software packages, and we do have RLM licensing available for organizations that require it for centralized license management or in order to run offline. With RLM you'll run a server and you'll have an encrypted keyfile that is tied to the ethernet address of that server. Individual computers with access to that server can check out a license. There is a slightly higher per-license cost for RLM licenses.

 

We also have a new and improved MAXON License Server for organizations where the individual workstations are offline but a license server can connect to the internet.

 

 

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On 8/3/2019 at 3:32 AM, connartist said:

I have a quick question in the most chill relaxed tone of voice ever, but doesn't this seem like it should be reversed, or am I missing something here:

"The basic conversion offer is this - if you have an active MSA for an edition other than Studio, you can lock in 2 years at roughly the same price as your current MSA. If you have an active MSA for C4D Studio, you can lock in the first 2 years at a 20% discount. "

Because if that's the case wouldn't I want to ditch my studio license ASAP and try to swap it for a prime license since it would be considerably cheaper for the next two years, since that MSA was (correct me if I'm wrong), much cheaper than the Studio one? And if that's the case, wouldn't the Studio folks end up paying more for an incremental upgrade, while Prime customers would pay considerably less for a major upgrade to their feature set? That's all I'm confused about, but I probably am just confused.

 

I guess it's a better deal for prime/broadcast users yes. But then at the same time, they are also being "forced" into a more expensive package in the long run that they might not want/need so perhaps this is a way to sweeten that deal.
 

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14 minutes ago, RBarrett said:

 

R21 is packaged in either a "stub" installer that's under 10mb and downloads the necessary installation files during the installation process, or as a "full" installer that's around 500mb and includes all files necessary for installation (though not the preset libs, which still come via the Online Updater).

 

So how will it work for those that go with r21 perpetual in say 4 years time if we need a reinstall 

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5 minutes ago, RBarrett said:

 

RLM (Reprise License Management) is a third-party licensing system used by many software packages, and we do have RLM licensing available for organizations that require it for centralized license management or in order to run offline. With RLM you'll run a server and you'll have an encrypted keyfile that is tied to the ethernet address of that server. Individual computers with access to that server can check out a license. There is a slightly higher per-license cost for RLM licenses.

 

We also have a new and improved MAXON License Server for organizations where the individual workstations are offline but a license server can connect to the internet.

 

 

Thanks for this explanation. It appears this means that if I don't do the RLM, the perpetual license does require me to reactivate it if I haven't used it for 14 days. And supposedly, because it 'never expires' I will be able to do this forever.

 

Any chance you can answer my initial question, which was

They show on their site that R21 Perpetual licenses never expire. If that is is the case, why have several people stated that elsewhere on the site MAXON indicates they may turn off previous versions in 3-4 years? This would seem to be the only reason to make a perpetual version have to connect to a MAXON server every 14 days. If this is not why the connection is necessary, I'd really like someone from MAXON to provide what the real reason is.  

 

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46 minutes ago, Craig Maret said:

So how will it work for those that go with r21 perpetual in say 4 years time if we need a reinstall 

 

Obviously, you download the full installer to keep. Then you install, and download the content libraries. Then you make a copy of the content libraries and store them in the same safe place as the installer. So, you can re-install your installation any time even if MAXON doesn't offer that specific version any more.

 

Although, in the past I could even copy the full "live" installation to another machine. Dunno if that is still supported.

 

Installer files shouldn't be an issue for MAXON as the app will ask for its license online anyway. So this method would not help if MAXON decides to switch off licensing for this version. They should not do that though; "perpetual" is perpetual (as long as the OS and the hardware allow the app to run). I would study the EULA this year very carefully anyway.

 

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22 minutes ago, Cairyn said:

 

Obviously, you download the full installer to keep. Then you install, and download the content libraries. Then you make a copy of the content libraries and store them in the same safe place as the installer.

 

Definitely agree - I do that now with any critical software. Things do disappear on the internet, generally installers and other large files. Your social media posts may not disappear, but the valuable stuff does. And also MAXON has a habit of breaking plugins, so i keep some old versions around in case I need to run some past plugin - has saved me multiple times. That's a fact.

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5 hours ago, Raischub said:

...and loose the access to your perpetual V22 (If this will ever come...) ?

 

If you have an R21 perpetual license and turn it into a subscription, you lose the license ownership and become enslaved. 

On the other hand, if you buy an upgrade to R22 perpetual, the license remains yours. 

 

What breaks the perpetual license is the subscription. If you keep buying upgrades year on year the license will always stay yours with no risk of losing it. 

Now my biggest question is: how much does a perpetual license upgrade cost vs the current MSA? 

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42 minutes ago, Cairyn said:

 

Obviously, you download the full installer to keep. Then you install, and download the content libraries. Then you make a copy of the content libraries and store them in the same safe place as the installer. So, you can re-install your installation any time even if MAXON doesn't offer that specific version any more.

 

Although, in the past I could even copy the full "live" installation to another machine. Dunno if that is still supported.

 

Installer files shouldn't be an issue for MAXON as the app will ask for its license online anyway. So this method would not help if MAXON decides to switch off licensing for this version. They should not do that though; "perpetual" is perpetual (as long as the OS and the hardware allow the app to run). I would study the EULA this year very carefully anyway.

 

 

Oh I'm sure the offline installer will be gone in one of the next releases "for a streamlined and simplified installation process for the user". Of course pure speculation but we have seen this behavior before.

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3 hours ago, stoecklem said:

Can anyone confirm that R21 subscription will still have unlimited Team Render nodes?

 

Yes I'd like to know too (I asked this before but it was not answered yet).

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1 hour ago, Unstable said:

They show on their site that R21 Perpetual licenses never expire. If that is is the case, why have several people stated that elsewhere on the site MAXON indicates they may turn off previous versions in 3-4 years? This would seem to be the only reason to make a perpetual version have to connect to a MAXON server every 14 days. If this is not why the connection is necessary, I'd really like someone from MAXON to provide what the real reason is.  

 

i don't recall anyone saying or writing that. what was said is that they won't provide installers or support for versions more than 3 releases old. the reason for the 14 day connection is the new licensing system, which is not with serial numbers anymore. think it's just a measure to prevent piracy.

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