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It all comes down to how much you value perpetual licenses over subscription licenses.  Getting R21 perpetual using the old system has value to me and delays the decision on subscriptions for one more year.  I just feel I am that much further ahead than NOT doing anything, holding onto R20 and being faced with a much higher perpetual upgrade cost to R21 or jumping into subscriptions.

 

One year gives me a chance to see exactly how much value MAXON adds to the subscription program in a year.  How significant are the mid-year updates?  Also, when the time for a new release comes out, do they hold to current perpetual upgrade costs or do they go higher?  Both of these will play heavily into my decision to either go with subscription, go with perpetual or leave C4D all together.   

 

One year gives me time to see how this all plays out in reality because you are not going to get any guidance from MAXON on how pricing and features will change in the future probably because MAXON really doesn't know either.  Remember, this is all new to them as well.   The money lost or gained by this move to subscriptions is all forecasted by MAXON and sometimes forecasts can be dead wrong.  One year of reality could set a completely different direction for them.

 

I am doing nothing different by taking this offer than if MAXON never announced a subscription plan....so lets see what happens in one years time.

 

Dave

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If they had managed to get a new xpresso with new nodes in R21.. I'd be in.   I don't like the idea of Redshift with new nodes without xpresso integration.  Basically if R21 added more value, yeah it would be a no brainer to get a perpetual R21 license.  I know there are lot of nice little things, but it's missing those few big things for me.

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I feel like having this version as a perpetual license does future-proof you a bit more than previous versions if you never receive another new release due to the inclusion of support for HiDPI monitors. That may not seem like a big deal to some, but if you ever plan an upgrading monitors in the future and not getting a subscription, this could be important. 

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I have a 4k monitor and it honestly doesn't bother me as it is, but I DO feel the same way about the 3rd party renderer node API stuff. I'm a long time Octane user and they are already mentioning porting their nodes over to the native system which I imagine most renderers will do pretty quickly, so having that as a unified interface will be nice going forward. That and the (finally) updated skinning methods are about it though for me. I'm also weighing if and when i sell, getting rid of an R20 license will be harder, and if you can find a buyer for R21, that might get you a couple years worth of subscription costs. Much better than the 20% off that MAXON will be offering. I wish I could deduct money for the time I've wasted thinking about all this though, haha. I'll probably end up doing the MSA this last time like Dave, then see where things go.

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16 hours ago, 3D-Pangel said:

All,

 

Initial Disclaimer: If some of this information is repetitive, then I apologize but I gave up following this thread 10 pages ago.

 

I just wanted to communicate some information which I received from MAXON USA.  Steve Ridley actually contacted me by phone to discuss my upgrade options as my MSA expires on August 30.  This date is significant as a lot of options change on September 1st.   People like me whose MSA expires on August 30th are in kind of a grey zone relative to what price we pay for upgrading to R21 perpetual.  That is a question I kept asking on the forums.  Steve also informed me that there are probably many others in the same boat because MAXON was always very gracious to those who missed their MSA renewal dates in the past and MAXON would allow them to renew late but there renewals would then be timed to end on August 30th of the following year.  So hopefully this information is of comfort to many others as it was to me.

 

So rather than try to interpret for Mr. Ridley, I asked that he put it into writing so that I could communicate it to the forums as I explained that there was a great deal of confusion (as attested to probably the longest thread in Café history):

 

Here is a screen shot of the email he sent.  I then asked a follow up question which I will show below this one:

 

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Note that the discussion point is around the option to RENEW AN EXISTING MSA (see highlighted sections) prior to August 31st.  That means for $720 (my existing MSA price for Studio), I get both R21 perpetual and Cineversity just as it has always been.

 

I did ask a follow up question, which then got this response:

 

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So it appears that it is business as usual and the decision on what to do with the subscription plan does not need to be made until 8/31/2020.  Should MAXON come out with a cracker jack release in the interim, the only way I could get that update prior to buying a perpetual license on 8/31/2020 is to convert to a subscription plan.

 

For people in the same boat as myself in the US (I cannot speak for other regions), please contact MAXON USA to hear it for yourselves via a 1:1 dialogue. Talking to Steve convinced me on what to do more so than reading this forum....but such is information flow in the digital age.

 

Now I cannot guarantee this clears up everyone's confusion, but it worked for me.

 

Thanks,

Dave

Thanks for this Dave.. Very useful! The one important thing which is not explicit in the conversation, is if on 8/31/2020 you change to subscription rather than get a new perpetual licence - will you be able to keep R21 perpetual?

My reseller seems to think that it becomes part of the subscription- and therefore if I stop subscribing I lose R21 too. This is a major point I think

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Seems as the local distributor is not letting you go that easily ...

According to the MSA contract it should have been cancelled 3 months prior to its ending (31/8/2019), which means cancellation had to be submitted in written form before 30 april  2019. Nice move MAXON.

 

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You do not get to keep R21 perpetual if you convert to subscription.  This was confirmed to me by Steve from MAXON.

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In my opinion we will never see a V22 Perpetual (MAXON gives no guarantee for that).

(Or? There anyone to disagree from Maxons side? - asked often enough ; )
They go the Adobe way (They also told us: Buy CS6 – it will be the only version you can upgrade from in future – and then? Only Rent-grade was available).
V21 Perpetual exists only to not annoy some long-term users too much.
They also have to fulfill existing MSA contracts
(so can´t stop a V21 Perpetual for the moment, but cancel existing MSA contracts - mine for example ).
I´m sure: After that its rent it or leave us.
Be carefull with investments!
Especially when you are planning to buy expensive PlugIns or AddOns.
No Cent from my side any longer as with Adobe.

BtW: that you loose your perpetual 21 if switching to subcription is strange. VERY strange.

(! You loose the right to sell this license which means money !)

(! Maybe it´s better to sell V21 and then get a fresh subscription with your earnings !)
(! Especially if you are a Studio OWNER - like me - who get very bad deals compared to others !)

And another break in Maxons philosophy.

Wonder if that´s legal? A perpetual license is a perpetual license... Or?
Read the fineprint carefully when following the New MAXON into subscription, what makes you dependent in many ways...

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5 hours ago, stoecklem said:

You do not get to keep R21 perpetual if you convert to subscription.  This was confirmed to me by Steve from MAXON.

 

Can you keep your R21 and not convert, and then add a subscription when for instance R22 comes out? This way if you are short on cash or whatever and cannot afford a subscription for R23 you can still use your R21 license or any older license like R20 ?

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9 minutes ago, briankoko said:

 

Can you keep your R21 and not convert, and then add a subscription when for instance R22 comes out? This way if you are short on cash or whatever and cannot afford a subscription for R23 you can still use your R21 license or any older license like R20 ?

 

Of course. Anyone can subscribe at any time.

 

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