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11 minutes ago, briankoko said:

 

Can you keep your R21 and not convert, and then add a subscription when for instance R22 comes out? This way if you are short on cash or whatever and cannot afford a subscription for R23 you can still use your R21 license or any older license like R20 ?

Yes you can keep your r21 if its perpetual as long as you dont convert that licence to a discounted subscription.   This would mean if you want a subscription your pay the full subscription price either annually or monthly while your perpetual falls further and further behind.

 

What you need to keep in mind however is you may get used to or rely on the new features of r22 or higher, so simply reverting back to r21 would mean you loose them features, and any work that made use of them new r22 features.  

 

Dan

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Thank you Rick and Rectro for the quick answers, I appreciate it.

 

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1 hour ago, Rectro said:

Yes you can keep your r21 if its perpetual as long as you dont convert that licence to a discounted subscription.   This would mean if you want a subscription your pay the full subscription price either annually or monthly while your perpetual falls further and further behind.

 

What you need to keep in mind however is you may get used to or rely on the new features of r22 or higher, so simply reverting back to r21 would mean you loose them features, and any work that made use of them new r22 features.  

 

Dan

Is that true?   Take one step into subscription and ALL your perpetual licenses close forever? Can we get some clarity here?

 

Maybe I inferred this incorrectly, but I thought it worked this way:

 

1) As long as you are using a subscription, the perpetual license will no longer activate.

2) Once you cancelled your subscription (or the subscription period ends), the perpetual license will reactivate.

 

This was my impression as I remember asking MAXON USA that if I needed Redshift or some feature of R22, then I could sign up for a monthly subscription until I no longer needed those features (which in reality means that you took the project all the way to final render).  Then, when my subscription lapses, R21 will reactivate again.

 

So what is the reality?

 

Dave

 

 

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15 minutes ago, 3D-Pangel said:

 

Is that true?   Take one step into subscription and ALL your perpetual licenses close forever? Can we get some clarity here?

 

 

What Studio owner would surrender their $3,695 perpetual license to get a mere 20% discount off the first two years of subscription and have to pay it all up front.

 

Give up your license to save about $150/yr, for two years. Could that be right?

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Called MAXON to get the same $250 MSA price to upgrade to R21 Studio-like version that everyone will be receiving, and MAXON rep said no. Prime users get R21 upgrade for $250 and I'd have to pay $725 for same version, which is $475 penalty to me in my view.

 

So I'm out. Out of yearly upgrading cycle. Could afford it, but on principle won't be paying the $475 penalty for same exact product.

 

I'll stick with R20 Studio perpetual for the foreseeable future. Will look into what's going on with C4D price options when R27 rolls around. Although I may be happy with Blender by then, I'll have had 6 or 7 years to get familiar with it and it's improvements. Who knows what Autodesk Indie will be like and cost then, along with various other 3D apps. 

 

I'd have likely jumped on to subscription for R22 at $720 or perpetual upgrade pricing (depending on what that will be), but that won't be happening now.

 

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Yeah this part is what stings me too. I get MAXON's argument about easing lower priced people into forking over $720 a year, but on principal I don't like the taste in my mouth about what this actually means. I think MAXON should eat that cost frankly, and give it to everyone for the same $250, but I don't see them doing that no matter how much we complain so it is what it is. Its the cost of them changing everything, I didn't call them with this subscription idea, and it means they will be making $720 from everyone for the foreseeable future, so you'd think they could afford to. It comes down to they know that they CAN get more from you, since you've shown them that, so they WILL. The punishment for giving them more money all these years I guess.

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20 minutes ago, 3D-Pangel said:

Is that true?   Take one step into subscription and ALL your perpetual licenses close forever? Can we get some clarity here?

 

Maybe I inferred this incorrectly, but I thought it worked this way:

 

1) As long as you are using a subscription, the perpetual license will no longer activate.

2) Once you cancelled your subscription (or the subscription period ends), the perpetual license will reactivate.

 

This was my impression as I remember asking MAXON USA that if I needed Redshift or some feature of R22, then I could sign up for a monthly subscription until I no longer needed those features (which in reality means that you took the project all the way to final render).  Then, when my subscription lapses, R21 will reactivate again.

 

So what is the reality?

 

Dave

 

 

I got that from this email as one of the options.

 

"Whilst cheaper than MSA, this option will mean that you’re on a subscription licence and your R20 perpetual licence has been upgraded and is no longer valid. Subscription licences work during the licenced period, but if your subscription ends and you don’t renew, your software will no longer work."

 

It does not say that your perpetual licence becomes active again, or it downgrades or switches back, but it does say that "Your perpetual licence has been upgraded".  The key difference here is subscription from a upgraded perpetual licence which offers cheaper prices, or subscription separate from your own perpetual licence.

 

If the perpetual does switch back on if you stop subscribing then this needs to be made clear in the emails.

 

Dan

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Yes.. If that is that is the case. If it switches back on, then it isn't so bad. This would make a lot of sense.. you wouldn't actually be losing your perpetual license you paid all that money for. This needs to be made clear and could be a big factor in my decision.  But sales never mentioned to me anything about it switching back on

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If it's like Adobe did, I don't think once you convert it you can un-convert it, that's why they are giving you the 20% for two years. Which should be higher IMHO, since that is saying your $3500 license is only worth $300, which also doesn't make sense. I feel like these details weren't so well thought out, in a way that kinda makes me lose some confidence in them. What idiot is going to basically sell their $3500 license for $300? Or is MAXON just admitting that's all its worth now, post-subscription era?

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This Rick's response to my question on CGTalk:
 

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Is there any subscription discount for current owners of older C4D versions (not on MSA)? And, if we upgrade to this subscription model will we lose our perpetual license once we stop subscribing?

 

There is a discount in the first year of subscription for users of any prior C4D edition/release. Check with your sales rep for exact pricing. You’ll still have access to your older release of Cinema 4D in that case.

 

 

So, I'm not sure if this means that your older software will still work after you cancel or if it will only work as long as you're paying for a subscription.

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