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So. I am pretty annoyed.  Having saved up a bunch of money and bought it in May.  They release subscriptions which are the same price as MSA on it's own!!!

 

Perpetual is now a lot cheaper than I bough it and has devalued the resale... not that anyone would by it now anyway. 

 

Great for new people, but what happens to people that have only just bought it?

 

Sucks

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The field force looks cool! I was reallly looking forward to better character rigging tools.

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2 minutes ago, renegade said:

That was really not a very good presentation... Bevels? And this new licensing? I just paid 700+ for my MSA - more than what the monthly cost would be for a year. And redshift is additional cost? Not very compelling at all. How about fixing the mesher/modeling tools... sheesh. 3D for the whole world? It seems they just want more people to buy it, but didn't much care about improving the software. I hope there is some better presentation of new features that will get me excited.

Why are you so jumpy to conclusions...please watch whole presentation, then lets talk. :) For me personally this realase is awesome...I cannot go back to R20 anymore and you will soon see why. :)


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The field force looks cool! I was reallly looking forward to better character rigging tools.

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I'm going to need to better understand the new pricing structure to understand how this is better for me. I will pay a subscription cost that adds up in a year to what I pay now for an MSA; however, I no longer have a perpetual license. I'm not trying to be negative; I just don't understand how this is an improvement. 

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This should make it tons easier to get me and my team on R21 in September. No more turning machines off and on, finding out who has the license for R19 and who has left R20 running... No more convincing the suits we need thousands of dollars to update software we 'already own'.

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Remember folks, C4D is like the Star Trek Movies....all the odd number ones are not as good as the even numbered ones.  I don't know what you were hoping for, but I had low expectations.  Still no symmetry tool though.  The character animation tools though need more explanation.  Some interest there but with all the technical glitches, the R21 announcement was a little confusing and jumbled.  Not a good first showing.

 

So...for Studio Users, the cost is no change (still $720 per year).  The advantage goes to the non-Studio users who can now get Studio for the cost of the Studio MSA.  That is a huge advantage to everyone....but once again Studio users get no benefits. 

 

Also, what happens if you decide NOT to go with the subscription model this year but to keep going with your existing R20 perpetual version....maybe even for the next few years?  Can you then switch to a subscription model WITHOUT having to pay a huge amount for the upgrade to the latest version?  What if I just want to wait a few months before getting into the subscription model?  My MSA expires on 8/31/2019....so what happens if I decide to wait until December before getting into a new subscription?

 

Now one advantage is the inclusion of Redshift into the subscription program.  That represents a $264 a year cost.    Prior to being purchased by MAXON, what was the annual maintenance cost for Redshift?  Was it less than $264?  If so, that is a pretty good deal as now you get up-to-date Redshift without having to buy a perpetual license.  I hope I am understanding this subscription program correctly.

 

Also, what happens if one year I want Redshift but then the next year I do not?  Am I locked in?  Are their issues to flip flop from year to year?

 

If you are REALLY making this as easy as you say, then there are some advantages in terms of missing MSA upgrade dates.

 

Also, does Cineversity still come with the subscription?

 

Thanks,

Dave

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1 minute ago, Falstaff said:

I'm going to need to better understand the new pricing structure to understand how this is better for me. I will pay a subscription cost that adds up in a year to what I pay now for an MSA; however, I no longer have a perpetual license. I'm not trying to be negative; I just don't understand how this is an improvement. 

 

First of all, Studio priced dropped by 1000€.

 

The subscription is amazing for freelancers, for example, that don't want to shell out 3000€ to get started. You basically get C4D for 600€ a year now. Yes, in the (very) long run it's more expensive if you ignore the new features you get. But there's still the perpetual license for this. Buy it once, own it forever.

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2 minutes ago, Igor said:

Why are you so jumpy to conclusions...please watch whole presentation, then lets talk. :) For me personally this realase is awesome...I cannot go back to R20 anymore and you will soon see why. :)

 

I hope you are right - I really do. Maybe he was just uncomfortable talking, but I just felt like what Apple did to many of us when they stopped pushing high end feature and jsut figured out how to sell more to a dumbed down market.

 

Again, I truly pray that you are right and I missed some great stuff which will be shown later today.

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As far as I am aware, there is a plan for every existing customer so that it benefits from a change. Please wait for details...


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2 minutes ago, DasFrodo said:

 

First of all, Studio priced dropped by 1000€.

 

The subscription is amazing for freelancers, for example, that don't want to shell out 3000€ to get started. You basically get C4D for 600€ a year now. Yes, in the (very) long run it's more expensive if you ignore the new features you get. But there's still the perpetual license for this. Buy it once, own it forever.

 

When you say a perpetual license dropped by 1000, do you mean that as just the buy in price, or that each year if you want to buy a perpetual license you need to pay the full price rather than what it costs now for an existing user, which is the MSA price? I feel like things are probably obvious, and I'm just not seeing it. :) 

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We don't have the whole picture yet and the website is down. For now the stand-alone is cheaper, you have a sub for freelancers/studios and even me (adding Octane at $20 and I have a amazing combo under $100/month. This is amazing).

 

I'm pretty sure perpetual users will also have good things. I'm definitely happy, that's for sure.

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