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3 minutes ago, C4DS said:

 

Not that I know of.

For as long as I remember I have been receiving the invoices automatically on a yearly base around beginning of August, to renew for another year. I have no idea why suddenly this so called "agreement" is applicable upto 30th August 2020.

Probably another sales trickery.

Ah - you may be a victim of  the 'automatic renewal'. I knew there was a reason I didn't go down that route

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Automatic renewal was standard in some countries, e.g. Germany.
Other countries require you to renew manually (afaik USA).

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And the three men I admire most, the Father, Son…and the Holy Ghost…they took the last train to the coast…the day…the music died.

 

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I also fear that more of the larger plugin developers may come to the same conclusion. 

 

Again, I expect the biggest churn in the user base to be in the single license PRIME user or single person NEW user.    Yes. They will be paying more but they are no longer locked into using C4D.  Their overall initial investment is very low and therefore easier to walk away from especially if there are no penalties for letting your subscription lapse for months or years.  And as stated before, they may not like the idea of having to pay $470 more per year over their MSA for an annual subscription . This would be especially true if they are not using all the additional features that Studio gives them.

 

Also, if I was a new user, I would NOT sign up for the annual subscription.  Not sure if a 14 day trial is enough time for a new user to feel comfortable enough with the program  to commit to something that you ONLY get to use for a year.  In the past, if you did make a commitment to C4D, you at least had it forever and it was easier to commit to the cost of Prime than the cost for Studio.  But not anymore.  If I was a new user, I would step in for maybe a month and see how it goes.  Some will stay, others will not.

 

So, if the make-up of the C4D user base switches from old-timers like us to NEW or Prime users who just stick a toe in the water for a few months or a year, then those people are not going to be spending big money on plugins. Not sure how much of the user base this represents, but I would imagine the vendors of the higher cost plugins (Insydium, 3D Quakers, C4DPlugin, Paul Everett) may be looking at their user base to determine what part of it is made up of hobbyists.   

 

Either way, new user or subscriber, would you buy a plugin for software that you don't own and only rent?  That's why the subscription model has to expand to include some of the major plugins as well and be part of the same package at the same price.  Then things get interesting. 

 

But if not, and we lose our plugin developers, then I think the only people to keep C4D will ultimately be those making a living wage from it.  The rest of us will go to Blender.

 

My hope is that the plugin developers view this as  an opportunity to seize a new market in the Blender community and look to the ex-C4D users in that community as a built-in word-of-mouth advertising.  Either that or they make every upgrade backward compatible to R20...which will get old over time.

 

Dave

 

 

 

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21 minutes ago, Icecaveman said:

And the three men I admire most, the Father, Son…and the Holy Ghost…they took the last train to the coast…the day…the music died.

 

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Yep....they were forced out by Nemetshek (the true villain here).  It is highly unlikely that three people all decide that retiring at the same time is in each of their own mutual best interests. 

 

They knew what was coming and I am sure packed as much as they could  into R20 as one final gift to their loyal customers.  Very glad that they went out on a high note...saw C4D win an Oscar, etc.

 

My heart goes out to them though....because I honestly feel that for them to witness all the anger in the community will be like watching the home you built with your bare hands be over run by rats.

 

Dave

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7 minutes ago, 3D-Pangel said:

My hope is that the plugin developers view this as  an opportunity to seize a new market in the Blender community and look to the ex-C4D users in that community as a built-in word-of-mouth advertising.  Either that or they make every upgrade backward compatible to R20...which will get old over time.

 

 

I am only providing my own point of view, of course, but as a plugin developer it means you have a decent understanding of the application and know how things work. I am comfortable using C4D, while Blender ... well, never tried it (yet).

It takes quite some time to be fluent with an application, and even more so if you want to write plugins, add-ons, or extensions.

For this reason I don't see myself switch to Blender for plugin development, before having mastered the application. I worked with C4D for 10 years before I stepped into the world of C4D plugins ...

Using C4D was a hobby, writing C4D plugins is (was?) a hobby ...

Others might have a different view, or a different opinion. This is mine.

 

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AEscripts.com is still doing well i think... despite after effects is sub only. so while i theory i guess you are right, reality is if people use a program on a regular basis and make money using it and need a certain added functionality that the vanilla software doesn't come with, they are going to spend money. i guess i makes more sense then if the plugins are also subscription based, since buying permanent licenses for plugins that run on a rented software is a bit of an odd concept, i agree on that. well, and yet i have a gazillion scrips and plugins for after effects (most of them i bought before the CC era though)....

 

 

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In some regions the MSA was offered as part of an automatically-renewing contract, in others it was manually renewed each year - so policies differ by region.

 

As far as the question as to why MSA is being discontinued - I think it honestly comes down to trying to simplify things. It would be confusing I think for both us and users to have two different types of subscription, and it would be really difficult to manage the accounting side for both. A real focus of this effort was to simplify the product & pricing options, because we recognized how much confusion they were causing. That's why we've eliminated the editions and why we're only presenting 5 options on the website (one of which is Perpetual - I feel I have to keep reminding folks).

 

With regard to plugins - our vibrant community of third-party developers is one of Cinema 4D's greatest strengths. For various reasons (almost all technical), we didn't give developers as much of a heads-up as I'd like, but I hope they're as excited as I am about the potential for a large increase in the Cinema 4D user base. It's true many will have to adjust their licensing, and in some cases it'll make sense to adjust pricing. Unfortunately that's unavoidable - but I think there's a great opportunity here as well. If any developers reading this have concerns, I'd love to chat with them directly - just send me a PM so we can start the conversation.

 

Some folks seem to be latching on to the idea that McGavran "started with Bevels". In fact, he started with Field Forces and said that was his favorite feature. The new Caps & Bevels - which happens to be MY favorite feature - was the second thing he announced. I think there's great balance in these two features - one very advanced toolset and another that's designed to make it easier to achieve one of the most basic tasks in 3D. Both are implemented in a very MAXON way - a workflow that's easy to understand, invites artistry and experimentation, and provides access to powerful real-world functionality.

 

-Rick

 

(Sorry for the delayed responses - I left early Friday and took Saturday off for some R&R. Wasn't trying to duck questions - just promised my wife I'd put the computer away for our anniversary.)

 

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24 minutes ago, RBarrett said:

As far as the question as to why MSA is being discontinued - I think it honestly comes down to trying to simplify things. It would be confusing I think for both us and users to have two different types of subscription, and it would be really difficult to manage the accounting side for both. A real focus of this effort was to simplify the product & pricing options, because we recognized how much confusion they were causing. That's why we've eliminated the editions and why we're only presenting 5 options on the website (one of which is Perpetual - I feel I have to keep reminding folks).

So we are 52 pages into this thread.  Feeling simple and less confusing yet?

 

Not sure why you just couldn't make everything really simple and just have the MSA and subscriptions and both be priced the same. 

 

Benefits of MSA - you get to own the software and it NEVER shuts off (no license manager).  But essentially it is the same MSA program we have always had.  If you leave it, the costs to upgrade can be significant.  If this worked for 5 products, then keeping it for just one product is certainly a step towards simplification.

Benefits of subscription: Essentially pay for only as long as you need it per the monthly or yearly plan and you get updates faster (MSA owners have to wait until the next MSA period to get an update).  Fail to keep the subscription updated and the license manager shuts you down.  Want to switch to MSA, you pay the upgrade costs just as before and no different than what MSA owners pay.

 

What really get's people upset is the license manager for "perpetual licenses".  Do you really own something that can be shut off remotely?  If you don't think that is a problem for some people, give me your RFID codes for your remote car starter. 

 

The tripping point isn't subscription vs perpetual.  The tripping point is having a license manager for perpetual.  If that goes, you will preserve you user base.

 

Dave

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, RBarrett said:

As far as the question as to why MSA is being discontinued - I think it honestly comes down to trying to simplify things.

Thanks for that answer.

But going on with simplyfing the things: One Option will be the simplest at least.
Any knowledge about, if MAXON will offer these - headache preparing and complicated - Perpetaul Licenses beyond Version 21?
Will we see a Perpetual V22?
A Perpetual V23?

A Perpetual V24?

A Perpetual V25?

 

- Sometimes no answer is the answer -

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