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An open letter to MAXON CEO McGavran

Do you feel Maxon is taking an Adobe route?  

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Cineversity was never included in perpetual, only in MSA.  We will definitely consider adding it to the upgrade but we only started discussing this based on the feedback, please bare with us.

Cheers

Dave
 

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850 Euro comes to around $938 USD....which is slightly better than the $999 USD that was the cost of upgrading by one version in the past should you not have an active MSA.

 

Soo.......instead of a 54% price increase from the $650 MSA price it is only a 44% price increase.

 

Not much movement there.  Folks, the only way to get price movement is to NOT jump on R22 no matter how awesome it is and you have until right before R23 is announced to sit on your wallet....though I have no idea when that will be.   

 

Again, the real test of how successful this whole new pricing plan will be is when R22 is announced as I am sure the majority of R21 licenses were through the final days of the MSA program.   

 

MAXON needs to make payroll and needs the revenue from new releases but we don't need to buy the perpetual license as soon as  they are released - if at all (don't forget Blender!  It is still out there!).    Nemetshek may give them a grace period  for a downturn in sales during this transition in MAXON's business model so they will be watching R21 subscription performance and R22 perpetual license performance with great interest.  But regardless of the grace period for soft sales,  no company likes to lose money so if sales are worse than projections then changes will be made.

 

Time is on our side so lets use it.

 

Dave

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6 hours ago, Frokito said:

That's a lot! Why is it more expensive than going subscription?

Because unlike subscription, that version is permanent. Unless I'm mistaken, with subscription they'll only keep three years of versions available. So if you'd have to open up an old project (for whatever reason) you wouldn't be able to use that old setup if that version is no longer available. With permanent.. it will be. Most people could care less about that though.. but having worked in media for so long.. going back to old projects (whatever they may be) isn't exactly something unknown to me at least.

 

Which is why I have a literal library of some very old programs etc.. archived for my disposal for such events. May it be programing, art etc.. The only thing I haven't had use for (so far knock on wood 🙂 ) is watcom c++ from the 90s.

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I used to pay 660€ every year for my MSA renewal (basically a right to upgrade in 1 year). 

With the new pricing scheme  I’ll now fork out about 1000€. 

That’s a 50% price increase with zero added value. In my world we call  this extorsion. It’s unbelievable. And there is not a single explanation. Not an excuse. And when I see what’s in R21...

 

I really hope another company will emerge soon. The Ableton of 3D. Like SideFx or Pixologic in their respective fields.

 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Mithril said:

Because unlike subscription, that version is permanent. Unless I'm mistaken, with subscription they'll only keep three years of versions available. So if you'd have to open up an old project (for whatever reason) you wouldn't be able to use that old setup if that version is no longer available. With permanent.. it will be. Most people could care less about that though.. but having worked in media for so long.. going back to old projects (whatever they may be) isn't exactly something unknown to me at least.

 

Which is why I have a literal library of some very old programs etc.. archived for my disposal for such events. May it be programing, art etc.. The only thing I haven't had use for (so far knock on wood 🙂 ) is watcom c++ from the 90s.

To be clear.  With subscription we will keep "at least" 3 years of versions available. 

Cheers

Dave

 

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3 hours ago, Adrien said:

I really hope another company will emerge soon. The Ableton of 3D. Like SideFx or Pixologic in their respective fields.

 

Its called Blender 2.8 --- again, not as smooth as C4D but just as capable (even more so in some areas) and very production proven with some good investing from game companies, etc.   So it has a strong future and a passionate user community.  Plus if you have used Cycles 4D, then you already know how to texture in Blender but if not, there are  also some very good free tutorials on pretty much every aspect of the program (Blender Guru is rising to be my favorite instructor).

 

Dave

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Cool to see the ceo on here answering questions but I hope MAXON will lower the upgrade price for perpetual in the future. For me it's my favorite 3D package.

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2 hours ago, Frokito said:

Cool to see the ceo on here answering questions but I hope MAXON will lower the upgrade price for perpetual in the future. For me it's my favorite 3D package.

They won’t because they want all users to move to subscriptions. I did not want to believe it first. It took me a few weeks to get the signal and what their CEO just announced on this forum  nailed in the coffin: they crank up the upgrade price by 50% (if you are an MSA subscriber) and take out cineversity (and might bring it back). To put you off even more, you won’t be able to purchase upgrades online and will have to ask  local distributors. And for that price, redshift remains optional. 

So yeah, they commit to keeping perpetual licenses (but for how long...?) but they made sure to make the offer look as bad as they could. 

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I mean props to David for coming on here to face the music.

But MAXON must know that from a permanent licence holder's point of view - we don't care what you choose to call the product 'MSA' or 'Upgrade'  - if future upgrades are going to cost the current non-MSA price then we've just been smacked with a 30-40% price increase alongside a very slim release.

 

This year was the normal price via MSA. But R22 will need to be 'bloody spectacular' to persude me to part with the best part of £1000.

 

The company I work for (with about 10 seats of Cinema) are seriously evaluating Blender - mostly not because of the change in license structure but because Cinema is visibly creaking round the edges (dies at moderate object count). To be honest, if Blender cost the same as Cinema, we would still be evaluating it, just on it's own merits. But the fact that at least the license costs are zero is just extra incentive.

 

MAXON need to be seriously careful - they couldn't have chosen a worse moment for aggresively de-valuing their offer to their core customers.

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With MSA's gone now I think we can only compare next year's upgrade price against the cost of this yearly subscription, not against what MSA was last year.

In order for MAXON to make the subscription a viable option the perpetual needs to be at a higher price. Otherwise people would continue buying the perpetual and make their money back after X amount of years compared to sub.

For the perpetual upgrade to be lowered it would require a lowering of the subscription also. It can't be just one price to be lowered.

If MAXON only lowered the subscription price and didn't lower the perpetual it would be even more infuriating to the perpetual users, wouldn't it? 

I don't see a lowering of either subscriptions or perpetual upgrade prices happening (would love if they did), but possibly they'll offer future indie subscription to try and entice more perpetual users.

The more perpetual users that don't upgrade next year will only speed up the end of perpetual licenses and won't force a price reduction. 

I'm glad the perpetual still exists, but it comes at a steep cost. It's my understanding it will exist for the foreseeable future. The price is too high because the subscription it too high.

Well that's my take on it.

 

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