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hi, i am just have some ideas for c4d and i cant drop they from my head. because of "what if?" question is always in my mind. so I decided to share my ideas here, because i know here is very old time users of c4d and MAXON staff. and i am interested about what you  c4dcafe users thinking about this ideas.  (i am sory about my english. its not my main lang.)

 

for first, why c4d not have a post production compositor.? we have filters but its very limited and lot of "post effects" goes embedded. for example lens effects. it works with any renderer but it embended to final image. so if you need to change it in some way, you need to re render. some of my stills goes in 6k resolution and takes nearly hour for a frame. so what i can do? re render it? or export that, than buy a after effects, than buy a lens flares plugin and do it seperatedly? also lot of things we already doing in this way. for example z depth export and compositing post blur in different program and plugins. it cost always extra money. also extra time and space in hdds,(multipass tiff with lot of channels in 4k animation is pain). i think i am not only user who dreaming for a compositor module in c4d for simple and general purpose and for c4d post fx's. blender already have one. so i think it is possible and will be very usefull for cinema 4d becaus c4d is already a procedural work monster, so compositor will be big power up for c4d. what you think guys about it?

 

my second idea is also will be very usefull for us and plugin devs.. its a in app market. like app store or google play store.  today, if i need a plugin like xstickness or merk vilson's plugins i need to search... but what if im a newbie and dont know what i want? if i never heard about nitro4d's plugins or merk vilsons?.  for example dem earth. its a good plugin but a c4d newbie can hear it very very later or if they not need something like that. so, a store can be very good about creating a ecosystem for plugin devs. and user. we can find anything we need or developers can economy for ads or big payment comissions for those sites where they sells already. or they can use their resources for more plugin developement instead of making websites for selling and adversiting.  also for every developer lisence guarding versus piracy is pain. so MAXON can give them MAXON.id api"s. also this store can be accessable in c4d. like unrreal engine's contents. so we can just open and see whats new in c4d. it also can be brave for lot of developers. for exaple i can make xpresso rigs. but how i can sell them now? or intro templates like in envato market.? i not doing anything for now because for me is a pain. different sites and different customers... so i need to service them seperately. and it cost lots of time. so just dream it. a store for plugins, tutorials, xpresso rigs or materials. so there is lots of possibilities and all of them accessable in c4d. this is can be very powerfull feature for c4d. with this lot of c4d guys can make more money. can easly share. MAXON can do more money. and all users can easly find, buy or share stuffs. instead of searching scripts, tutorials, materials and all other things in the web and lost their times, all is can be in one window, under c4d. its also can be good reason for potential c4d users in future. (we have some examples, sketchfab importer, cineversity plugin toolbox. but they are very limitet and only for their content. also there are lot of personal sites, blogs, small markets or patreon and gumroad pages. very very fractures contents. so for customer is painly way to be in a dcc ecosystem. so, i think we need a global store for c4d stuffs.)

 

another my idea is making a "idea-suggesion survey topic page with voting" for users of c4d. so users can post idea and others can vote. so MAXON easly can know how much users need that. it also can be a plugin in c4d. who love share and help, can see in plugin "todays ideas" or can add new ones. so MAXON can take course easly with this ideas and votes. of course MAXON is a company  and they have their plans. but understanding users is a big plus and always helps for future plans.  its also can be used for bug reports so users can vote and MAXON can know which bug is more ugrent.

 

so this is my three ideas and i dreaming about them.  what you think people? ideas is good? or realizable?

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Hey, thanks for posting, ideas are always more than welcomed. But the thing is, Maxon is not lacking ideas, its not about that. Things are bit more complicated than people might think. Its a big topic I cannot discuss to much, simply becasue I have no idea what I can or cannot say due to the fact I am working there. What I can tell is that all your idea might come sooner now as we changed our development approach. Old days were not that productive, due to so many restrictions, but now that Dave is here, things are changed. So stay tuned and maybe your wishes might came true. 😉 


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Cinema 4D with a built in compositor is my dream too!  Igor this sounds good, I guess we'll see but we haven't seen anything to prove this yet.  Right now I just want a new release with bug fixes, and Redshift working with C4D nodes in R21... like the stated R21 feature, the node API.  It's nearing 3 months since R21 release.

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Well, for now I am positive more than I was before, so lets hope my positivity is not false. 🙂 


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A comping prog within C4D? Basic things like putting a lens flair on a light or object would be good. I think people like their compositors NUKE/Aftereffects too much for it to be a total compositing replacement. Or changing 2d text on the fly, rather than visiting after effects.

 

The c4d integration is pretty good anyway. 

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9 hours ago, stoecklem said:

Redshift working with C4D nodes in R21... like the stated R21 feature, the node API.  It's nearing 3 months since R21 release.

 The weather outside is frightful....

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I would really be shocked if C4D came with a built in compositor given all the work put into C4D Lite for AE (which is a built in 3D app for your compositor) and the interoperability between AE and C4D.

 

Now, given the work done on dynamic fields and OpenVDB implementation, I do see a move toward native fluid simulation.  X-Particles is the bomb (IMHO), but that doesn't mean C4D doesn't need its own solution.  In fact, the absence of such a tool set, particularly as Maya has fluids integrated quite well into its motion graphics tools, is quite a noticeable gap for MoGraph.

 

I do like the idea of a C4D Marketplace.  The plugin/model/tutorial eco-system around C4D is both big and aging.  Aging is a criticism as some sites that were quite active have gone silent (KDZ, Coffestock, etc).  As each release of C4D tends to break all the plugins, some developers are starting to show exhaustion and simply giving up.   So  sorting through which tools are compliant to each release is rather cumbersome when dealing with multiple sites.  I know that R21 has its own thread on compliant plugins but I think that there would be a better way to manage this by MAXON as they should keep track of which developers are downloading the SDK for each release.  Simply send out a survey 3 months after the SDK has been downloaded inviting them to register their plugin at a C4D Marketplace run by MAXON.  Keep sending out that email at 1 month intervals until they do register it or until they opt out.  Ultimately, developers are not going to want the Marketplace showing their plugins as being compliant to only R15 so they are motivated to register their plugin to the latest version.

 

One of the benefits of Blender is the Blender Marketplace.  MAXON should consider something similar.

 

Dave

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I feel like compositing is a core aspect of 3-D and I sure hope MAXON isn’t making decisions based on Adobe but their product improvement as a hole.  Lots of people I would imagine don’t like creative cloud, want nodal composting, but nuke is too expensive and fusion is being run by Blackmagic and questionable decision making. But yes I’d be very pleasantly surprised 

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  • 22 hours ago, DMcGavran said:

     The weather outside is frightful....

    mr. DMcGavran, as a c4d user i am happy at this moment about changes in the cinema 4d. thank you for your work. i hope everyhing be better in future.

     

    please (if you can) share with us, what you think about a compositor?    it is a good idea? bad idea? possible? impossible?   i see, i am not only user dreaming about it. i have full adobe membership. but time cost and plugin needs for ae is pain for me. i think c4d will be big game changer in industry if it have a compositor. for example we can less time render with z depth and quickly add dof blur in post, also in c4d. and of course all of c4ds post fx can be big plus. this compositor will be not a new opponent for after effects or fuse. but if it can allow us post procces z depth blur, color grading, little bit compositing and all c4d post fx's, its can be orgasmic feature. for who need more, of course they can use ae or other programs but users like me (not doing deep and big compositing.- also learning addional programs and plugins a pain for 3d generalist freelancers.) can be very very happy customer and also i think lot of new users can like it. sory for long writing but here is my hope is real. i really love c4d and i hope a better future for this software.

     

    so mr. DMcGavran please tell us what you think about adding a compositor module to cinema 4d?

     

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    12 hours ago, kmls said:

    mr. DMcGavran, as a c4d user i am happy at this moment about changes in the cinema 4d. thank you for your work. i hope everyhing be better in future.

     

    please (if you can) share with us, what you think about a compositor?    it is a good idea? bad idea? possible? impossible?   i see, i am not only user dreaming about it. i have full adobe membership. but time cost and plugin needs for ae is pain for me. i think c4d will be big game changer in industry if it have a compositor. for example we can less time render with z depth and quickly add dof blur in post, also in c4d. and of course all of c4ds post fx can be big plus. this compositor will be not a new opponent for after effects or fuse. but if it can allow us post procces z depth blur, color grading, little bit compositing and all c4d post fx's, its can be orgasmic feature. for who need more, of course they can use ae or other programs but users like me (not doing deep and big compositing.- also learning addional programs and plugins a pain for 3d generalist freelancers.) can be very very happy customer and also i think lot of new users can like it. sory for long writing but here is my hope is real. i really love c4d and i hope a better future for this software.

     

    so mr. DMcGavran please tell us what you think about adding a compositor module to cinema 4d?

     

    I think the question is just a slight bit different.   We won't be avoiding the correct features because we have a partnership with someone as was feared in a post above.   The question shouldn't be "will we add a compositor" to C4D.  But will we add the correct features to make sure what you do in C4D is the correct work for a given pipeline.  For some pipelines some compositing would be nice.  Others don't need any and some would want a full compositor.  These are great discussions and ongoing internally.  Where we land on this and when is TBD. 

     

    I am enjoying reading this thread.

     

    Cheers

    Dave

     

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    13 hours ago, kmls said:

    orgasmic feature

    Well, this one is a bit difficult for any software to achieve 🙂


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