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Only commenting on the things I used. Scene nodes look promising (haven't tested), but more importantly again show a strong vision for the future. I also comment on the general outlook, MyMa

I had a surface level look at scene nodes but then digged into the past material nodes again and want to share some thoughts,  not so much about the functionality but the implications of the prio

Grateful I jumped off...and stuck w/plan for blender/R20. Will have soon saved nearly $2,000. Never had to fuss with broken plugins, bugs, hassles and modest upgrades. Already had Octane and Rizom UV.

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3 hours ago, 3D-Pangel said:

Interesting how the whole R20 to R23 price, like all perpetual license costs, is a bit of a deep dark secret in that it is not posted on the MAXON web-site.

I agree that the whole topic regarding the current R23 upgrade price "secrecy" for perpetual license seems a little fishy.

Wasn't it announced with release of R21 that all future sales would be organized via a MAXON webshop, that the intermediate reseller was being taken out of the equation?

That's what I understood a year ago. My local reseller (DesignExpress) made it clear that then was the last time I would be doing business with them related to upgrading for Cinema4D.

I wasn't happy with the fact the MSA was being cancelled and on top of that R21 was a "meh"-Release with an oh-so-fancy new UI, but stuffed with issues under the hood (fixed in R23? I have no idea!)

But as I had an automated renewal -which could not be cancelled anymore at time of revealing what R21 was all about- I was legally forced to upgrade.

To this day opening R21 still makes me sick ... but I digress.

 

To recap: to my knowledge the local reseller wasn't part of the story after R21.

I remember that past months I have received e-mails about a "so-called" Cinema4D reseller. But I do get mails from quite a lot "so-called this and that". And as we were informed: "no more resellers" I have binned all those fishy e-mails.

Now we are informed that we need to contact our local seller for an upgrade ??? So, what's the deal? Why did my original reseller got kicked out, and why is a new reseller being introduced instead?

 

On the other hand, Dave (3D-Pangel), I do understand why future pricing and upgrade policies can not be disclosed as of yet.

It's true, the new releases are not yet available. MAXON cannot make out how many it will cost to upgrade if they haven't yet a physical release, and the knowledge it will cost to produce.

Which means that prices for next release could go down (<sarcasm> yeah right!!! </sarcasm>), or go up ... all depending the cost it takes to make next release. At least ... that's the theory.

 

While I like the new additions being added to R23, I will happily keep using R20.

Would I want the R23 features? If these would be part of an R20 update ... for sure.

But definitely NOT the R21+ experience. Because, face it MAXON ... R21 ... what a joke!

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Hrvoje said:

 

This node group or asset is created purely by nodes. I made the indicators by constructing lines (splines). Here is the scene file

 

74_Ray_Collision.c4d 287.42 kB · 4 downloads

 

Of course, it is just a basic algorithm but it works for most and is good display of what is doable, however it would make much more sense to get a default ,robust raycast and related node

 

 

 

Thank you, that looks really good. I think MAXON is trying to take away all those XSI people who didn't have an alternative yet. I like the fact we get to see the tech so early and that there is new openness towards community. It almsot feels like ICE is reincarnated with German twist 😛

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51 minutes ago, C4DS said:

I agree that the whole topic regarding the current R23 upgrade price "secrecy" for perpetual license seems a little fishy.

Wasn't it announced with release of R21 that all future sales would be organized via a MAXON webshop, that the intermediate reseller was being taken out of the equation?

That's what I understood a year ago. My local reseller (DesignExpress) made it clear that then was the last time I would be doing business with them related to upgrading for Cinema4D.

I wasn't happy with the fact the MSA was being cancelled and on top of that R21 was a "meh"-Release with an oh-so-fancy new UI, but stuffed with issues under the hood (fixed in R23? I have no idea!)

But as I had an automated renewal -which could not be cancelled anymore at time of revealing what R21 was all about- I was legally forced to upgrade.

To this day opening R21 still makes me sick ... but I digress.

 

To recap: to my knowledge the local reseller wasn't part of the story after R21.

I remember that past months I have received e-mails about a "so-called" Cinema4D reseller. But I do get mails from quite a lot "so-called this and that". And as we were informed: "no more resellers" I have binned all those fishy e-mails.

Now we are informed that we need to contact our local seller for an upgrade ??? So, what's the deal? Why did my original reseller got kicked out, and why is a new reseller being introduced instead?

 

On the other hand, Dave (3D-Pangel), I do understand why future pricing and upgrade policies can not be disclosed as of yet.

It's true, the new releases are not yet available. MAXON cannot make out how many it will cost to upgrade if they haven't yet a physical release, and the knowledge it will cost to produce.

Which means that prices for next release could go down (<sarcasm> yeah right!!! </sarcasm>), or go up ... all depending the cost it takes to make next release. At least ... that's the theory.

 

While I like the new additions being added to R23, I will happily keep using R20.

Would I want the R23 features? If these would be part of an R20 update ... for sure.

But definitely NOT the R21+ experience. Because, face it MAXON ... R21 ... what a joke!

 

 

 

Your reseller made a mess of things when he decided to stop partnering with MAXON.   Your most active reseller is http://www.mediamachine.nl. You can get all the info on our sales partners here:  https://www.MAXON.net/de/sites/bestellen/haendler-und-distributoren/ 

 

You can also contact MAXON directly.   

 

Cheers

Dave

 

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15 minutes ago, DMcGavran said:

Your reseller made a mess of things when he decided to stop partnering with MAXON.   Your most active reseller is http://www.mediamachine.nl. You can get all the info on our sales partners here:  https://www.MAXON.net/de/sites/bestellen/haendler-und-distributoren/ 

 

You can also contact MAXON directly.   

 

Cheers

Dave

 

 

Hi Dave,

 

Is it possible for me to pay the upgrade price you quoted in Euros? I'm based in Ireland, part of Europe and deal in Euros. I contacted MAXON directly about upgrade but got the UK reseller quoting me in GBP (at a higher price than the Euro price). I'd rather deal direct with MAXON in Euros if that's possible. Just wandering if new users in Ireland are forced to pay in GBP when signing up to subscription? Seems a bit odd.

 

Thanks

Dave

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10 hours ago, srek said:

No. Xpresso is part of classic Cinema 4D, scene nodes are not. Scene nodes can not replace in the old context and Xpresso does not work in the new one. Scene nodes do cover the same general functionality as Xpresso though, as such you can view them as the successor to Xpresso, but only in the new context.

 

So Xpresso will not be phased out then...? Will Scene Nodes will run alongside Xpresso?

 

r23 is a great update. I applaud the devs at MAXON. They are obviously listening to users and are most likely using Scene Nodes to retain users shifting to Houdini. I for one will be sticking around to see how this plays out. What needs to happen is to be able to use Scene Nodes to create particle and fluid effects. Scene Nodes are obviously capable of doing a better job than the badly built X-particles plugin, they should replace the need for it entirely.

 

On another note, I am surprised that there was no UDIM functionality in this update...and no one seems to be demanding it either. Does no one UV medium to high res models with C4D?

I have moved to Maya for modelling and UVing recently. Maya has arguably better tools in those areas (though C4D is close). But then, Maya has UDIM support. I need a reason to not use Maya.

 

One thing though, having used another 3D app I can now see that C4D is better built and gives a better user experience. With Scene nodes they seem to have gone from the ground up, integrating it into all aspects of C4D rather than just tacking it on to the top. Once again, I applaud the devs - well done!

 

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Xpresso is apart of classic Cinema 4D, as long as we have that there is no reason to remove it. As soon as everything has moved on to the new core Xpresso will be obsolete and the far more powerful Scene Nodes will have replaced it.

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59 minutes ago, hobbyist said:

 

Hi Dave,

 

Is it possible for me to pay the upgrade price you quoted in Euros? I'm based in Ireland, part of Europe and deal in Euros. I contacted MAXON directly about upgrade but got the UK reseller quoting me in GBP (at a higher price than the Euro price). I'd rather deal direct with MAXON in Euros if that's possible. Just wandering if new users in Ireland are forced to pay in GBP when signing up to subscription? Seems a bit odd.

 

Thanks

Dave

Hmmm....

 

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Things seem to be moving your way relative to currency conversion.  Just 10 days ago the conversion rate was 1.12681 euro's per GPB now it is 1.08337.  So if the upgrade was 850 GPB, then in the last 10 days (just due to currency conversion rates alone) your Euro price dropped from 957.79 euro's  to 920.87 euro's.  The trend is down because I understand that the UK is slower to financially recover than the rest of Europe from the Corona virus so the Euro is stronger than the pound right now.  

 

Interesting that there is no direct seller in your region.  I do find that odd.  Given all the currency fluctuations right now as economies recover from the pandemic at varying levels that can create some revenue instability if you have to deal with varying conversion rates.

 

Yep....bad time to be a global company.

 

Dave

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26 minutes ago, 3D-Pangel said:

Hmmm....

 

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Things seem to be moving your way relative to currency conversion.  Just 10 days ago the conversion rate was 1.12681 euro's per GPB now it is 1.08337.  So if the upgrade was 850 GPB, then in the last 10 days (just due to currency conversion rates alone) your Euro price dropped from 957.79 euro's  to 920.87 euro's.  The trend is down because I understand that the UK is slower to financially recover than the rest of Europe from the Corona virus so the Euro is stronger than the pound right now.  

 

Interesting that there is no direct seller in your region.  I do find that odd.  Given all the currency fluctuations right now as economies recover from the pandemic at varying levels that can create some revenue instability if you have to deal with varying conversion rates.

 

Yep....bad time to be a global company.

 

Dave

 

Yeah for sure currency fluctuations will always go in somebody's favour. Having a UK distributor for UK / Ireland is pretty common for hardware but software less so these days. Amazon for instance we buy through Amazon UK and maybe in future will need to buy from Amazon DE after Brexit if no trade agreement in place. Which would also bring into question how I could pay a seller in GBP if there's no trade agreement between UK and Europe. Doubt it'll get to that but  2020 keeps on giving so...

 

The GBP upgrade is £799 so at the moment £799 = approx. €865 (ex VAT). The price of upgrade in Euro is €850 (ex VAT).

When the online portal opened to everyone to purchase a subscription / perpetual I could see could pay in Euro there so assumed any future upgrades will be in euro. 

 

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