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The struggle with 3DS Max


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11 hours ago, CDALive said:

Well 3DSMax may be not so stable and in some parts not as good as Cinema 4D. But here is where 3DSMax shines. I work since 3 years with 3DSmax in Architecture Visualisation. And that is where 3DSMax is golden.

3DSMax is the industry standard for Architectual Visualisations. Every professional Studio in that market works with MAX.

 

And there are also some great Plugins for 3DSMax. the best one are  Itoo Forrest Pack, The best tool for natural environment  and Itoo Railclone

 

The Output that can be realized with 3DSMax and Corona Render are just on the top.

 

If you like to work in Architecture Visualisation  you have to know 3DSmax

 

I'd be interested to know which tools do you think make 3DS Max so much better in Archviz than C4D or other Apps... if we disregard Plugins for now.

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9 hours ago, DasFrodo said:

 

I'd be interested to know which tools do you think make 3DS Max so much better in Archviz than C4D or other Apps... if we disregard Plugins for now.

Well, I will not open a C4D to Max competition here :).

 

For me the stacking of modifires, effectors and modeling steps are a big plus. but yes if you remove all the plugins from MAX, that is another story. 

But something was in the last years different, specifically in Architecture Visualisation. The output from 3DSMax looked better than the output from Cinema 4D. I don't know what it was. It's the way how 3DSMax and the render engines handels materials, shaders and light. they was a differents compare to Cinema 4D. Now this days Corona Render for C4D is identical with Corona for MAX. This was not the case some time ago. I talk about Archviz. Even today if you compare Cinema 4D outputs and MAX outputs, they are different. and as I sad I don't know what it is.

 

But here is the main point. Cinema 4D is a allround 3D Software. you can do everything with Cinema 4D. 3DSMax is limitet in some parts ( Motion Graphics) but it is speziallzed in Architecture Visualisation, Film and Games. So Max is more focused on parts of the industry and can improve that tools that are needed for this parts.

 

Btw: I switched from 3DSMax back to Cinema 4D at home 🙂

 

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11 hours ago, CDALive said:

Well, I will not open a C4D to Max competition here :).

 

For me the stacking of modifires, effectors and modeling steps are a big plus. but yes if you remove all the plugins from MAX, that is another story. 

But something was in the last years different, specifically in Architecture Visualisation. The output from 3DSMax looked better than the output from Cinema 4D. I don't know what it was. It's the way how 3DSMax and the render engines handels materials, shaders and light. they was a differents compare to Cinema 4D. Now this days Corona Render for C4D is identical with Corona for MAX. This was not the case some time ago. I talk about Archviz. Even today if you compare Cinema 4D outputs and MAX outputs, they are different. and as I sad I don't know what it is.

 

But here is the main point. Cinema 4D is a allround 3D Software. you can do everything with Cinema 4D. 3DSMax is limitet in some parts ( Motion Graphics) but it is speziallzed in Architecture Visualisation, Film and Games. So Max is more focused on parts of the industry and can improve that tools that are needed for this parts.

 

Btw: I switched from 3DSMax back to Cinema 4D at home 🙂

 

 

Thanks for the reply.

 

But I can't help but question the difference in image output with C4D and Max if you use Corona for both. They are the exact same render engine, so if anything it's probably some default tonemapping or color profile that is applied. But I doubt it, since I've used both with Corona and I did not see a difference at all.

 

I've tried 3DS Max 2021 last week and I gotta say... windows open faster now. I don't have to wait two to three seconds for render settings and material editor to open up, but if you compare it to the instantaneous response you get from C4D it's still a joke.

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Long term max and c4d user here. I prefer max's modelling tools and modifier stack, and viewport performance, and plugins like tyflow. And I like c4d for its UI cleanliness (apart from the uv workflow which was always terrible) and for mograph. The vanilla renderer is pretty useless so you need a third party one, whereas max has Arnold built in these days. 

 

Never mind all that though, the one thing max has had since the 90s (and AE for that matter) which I really wish they would put in C4d is one simple render checkbox : Skip existing files!

 

You can render files in a range that maybe are missing, corrupted, or render a few test ranges, to be filled in later etc. It's so useful. And we're up to version 23 and it's still not in c4d.

 

 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, casinowilhelm said:

Long term max and c4d user here. I prefer max's modelling tools and modifier stack, and viewport performance, and plugins like tyflow. And I like c4d for its UI cleanliness (apart from the uv workflow which was always terrible) and for mograph. The vanilla renderer is pretty useless so you need a third party one, whereas max has Arnold built in these days. 

 

Never mind all that though, the one thing max has had since the 90s (and AE for that matter) which I really wish they would put in C4d is one simple render checkbox : Skip existing files!

 

You can render files in a range that maybe are missing, corrupted, or render a few test ranges, to be filled in later etc. It's so useful. And we're up to version 23 and it's still not in c4d.

 

 

 

 

What about stability and bugs? Is that improved?

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One thing people need to keep in mind, is that different parts of the world have taken different paths. It may very well be that you're in industry X, and all your friends use the same software in industry X, but jump over to europe, Japan, China, south america and you may suddenly find you're a fish out of water and very few people use the same software you do.

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3 hours ago, Igor said:

What about stability and bugs? Is that improved?

We work at Raumgleiter 100% with 3DSMax. currently we work with 3DSMax 2020 and we will update to 2021 in the summer break, during the small downtime of client work. I must say that the stability has improved a lot and getting better slowly. They are the typical Max bugs yes. Sometime MAX just get closed without any error. On a Network or via remote 3DSMax can become a bit laggy. 3DSMax 2021 has more improvement. 

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28 minutes ago, CDALive said:

We work at Raumgleiter 100% with 3DSMax. currently we work with 3DSMax 2020 and we will update to 2021 in the summer break, during the small downtime of client work. I must say that the stability has improved a lot and getting better slowly. They are the typical Max bugs yes. Sometime MAX just get closed without any error. On a Network or via remote 3DSMax can become a bit laggy. 3DSMax 2021 has more improvement. 

 

Interesting, because at my current workplace we do not use 2020 specifically because it's so trash. Slower than 2019, crashes more often, etc.

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