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lylemills

R13, R14 Or Just Get Vray?

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lylemills    0
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  • I am using R12 studio and have been attempting photo real arch-viz. Most people use 3ds max and vray for this type of work. As there is a vray plugin for many 3d programs, including Sketchup, I figure as long as I can create the geometry that is required, vray will help (to a greater or lesser extent) on providing that photo realism I desire. Don't get me wrong, I know that it takes a lot of knowledge and work to make materials and images photo realistic. There is no "make it look real" button ;)

    However, my main question is, is it better to spend the money on vray and get all the additional functionality out of this rendering plugin, or spend about the same money on an upgrade to R14 studio?

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    spedler    9

    If it's a straight choice between one or the other, then personally I'd upgrade to R14. I think the new features in R13 and R14 outweigh the benefits of Vray plus R12. Unless you are doing arch viz professionally and really need - and know how to make use of - the advantages of Vray over the native renderer, then I think you'd get more from the latest version of Cinema. Certainly you'd get more to play with anyway.

    Just my opinion, of course.

    Steve

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    Rezca    1

    If you buy Vray now, then you're looking at having to pay again for the upcoming update to VrayForC4D. It's not likely to happen until the end of this year or early into next year, but just to keep in mind.

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    PixelPit    3

    Hard to answer... not knowing how proficient you are with the inbuilt renderer (and you, most likely, not having tested the physical renderer). R14 has new features that are more than useful for architects. That alone would be reason enough to buy into it + all the other new features you´d obtain in a 2 version jump. VRay for C4D is not developed/maintained by Chaosgroup, and you will not be able to use it with Sketchup or 3DS Max. It´s closely integrated into C4D and does not come as a stand alone renderer like for example Maxwell Studio, that "only" requires (bridge-) plugins to work with different 3D & 2D applications.

    This doesn´t answer your question or make your decision any easier, but lastly it is up to you to define the priorities of, and in, your workflow. My vote would go to R14...

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    mikeBeckman    2

    Personally speaking, I just can't get the same results out of the physical renderer that I can out of vRay. That being said, I have seen some really nice stuff done with the Physical renderer. (I probably just need to spend more time with it).

    If Archvis is what you make money doing, I'd say go with vRay. There are a ton of new features to be had in R13-R14, but they may not be something you'd necessarily use to make money. vRay is very deep, but the community (especially Stefan!) is really helpful.

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    mmVRay    2

    The additional functionality you would get with R14 far outweighs any performance gains you would realize with VRayForC4D and R12. The only thing you would lose by upgrading to R14 is the additional time it might take to render. If you choose VRay over the upgrade you lose some very important and useful functions.

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    tomo    1

    If your main focus is/will be achviz, I don't think R14 has that much to offer. Vray, on the other hand, does.

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    lylemills    0
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  • I understand that Vray for C4D's application is different than for the other apps, as it is more integrated into C4D than the others are - actually my preference. Also, it is not from Chaos Group, the makers of the "other" vray?

    I have read and experienced that C4D's materials/editor is not as good as vray's BRDF materials and calculations. It lacks the options and flexibility.

    According to above comments, it's native renderer is slower than vray.

    And what about the lack of vray proxies? I know you can create a proxy switch with Xpresso, but it is not quite the same. I have used carbon scatter.

    The above comments have suggested that I will lose out on important functionality. What functionality in particular would I lose out on if I go for Vray instead of the R14 update? (please consider an arch-viz application)?

    I have to admit that I don't have a tonne of experience with the native renderer. However, after following many, many tutorials, suggestions and other forums for material and render settings over the past 2.5 years, I cannot get the look I desire. Others have said that you really have to fuss with the native renderer and materials to get "photo real" quality out of C4D. I also know that this probably has to do with the fact that I am using R12. However, if Vray handles this problem, then why go to R14?

    I finally have to admit that I usually do most of the initial modeling in Sketchup (as it is much faster) and then export to an *.obj file to be opened up and "cleaned-up" in C4D. I add extra or intricate details and any organic forms that would be difficult or impossible to do in Sketchup (not so many now with the help of ruby scripts) in C4D. BTW, has the import of Sketchup files become better in the R13 or R14 version? (It seems almost painless in 3ds max.) I have yet to find an easy method of taking projects from Sketchup to C4D.

    Please do not get the impression that I dislike C4D and somehow wish it was like 3DS max, but the reality is that the vast majority of people in arch-viz us the 3DS Max/Vray combo. I also have to consider this when seeking employment, as some experience with vray - even if it is in a different platform - is better than none.

    @Rezca - according to the site, if I buy vray now, I get all updates to 1.5. Currently they are at 1.2.6 and awaiting 1.3? Is this accurate?

    Thanks to the above for your input and advice,

    Lyle

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    mmVRay    2

    If you do not upgrade to R14 now the cost to upgrade next year and the next will get prohibitively expensive. If you look throught the renders produced by C4D they are every bit as good as VRay if the person knows what they are doing. VRay also has a learning curve, even more so than C4D, so don't expect results overnight, it may take six months or a year of experience to come up to speed. VRayForC4D is only a wrapper around the VRay core engine which runs in the background and is handed the project file then outputs the resulting render, so you are getting the same engine only not quite as up to date as the standalone version. The future of SketchUp is unclear as Google has sold the product, I have seen other software apps sold only to die a slow death or be set on the self because the company only wanted the core technology, therefore you cannot count on it going forware in a professional context.

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    lylemills    0
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  • If you do not upgrade to R14 now the cost to upgrade next year and the next will get prohibitively expensive.

    My closest distributor is currently asking over $1000 CDN for the R13 upgrade. Just slightly more that Vray.

    If you look throught the renders produced by C4D they are every bit as good as VRay if the person knows what they are doing.

    Sorry, but I just don't see it in regards to archviz. There are some good ones though. I do agree that in all of the realms of CG you have to put in your time and know what you are doing to get good results. There are no flukes.

    The future of SketchUp is unclear as Google has sold the product

    Gotta disagree with you on this one also. Trimble took over the product and the whole team! Many times a new company means a fresh start and new outlook. I would have to say that it was Google that was letting the product go stale. They have their fingers in too many pies to focus on what Sketchup can and should be. Making it 64 bit and implementing some of the advanced functionality created by ruby scripts would make it a modeling app that would give others a serious run for their money. With all the volatility going on in the world - especially in the EU, the birthplace of C4D - you can't count on anything going forward in a professional context. Volatility is the new norm.

    But I digress, I think I have made up my mind. Spending a bit less money to get the realism and at the same time the experience with the app used in my industry of choice makes more sense to me. Also, I can take away all of the knowledge that is out there on the net for Vray regardless of what app it is running with, and there is a tonne of info out there. I am hard pressed to find a fraction of the material for C4D.

    Thanks though for you input and reading my ramblings.

    Lyle

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    mmVRay    2

    My closest distributor is currently asking over $1000 CDN for the R13 upgrade. Just slightly more that Vray

    That's 1000 to go from R12 to R14, you are not going to see a deal like that again, it's even cheaper through Safe Harbor or Ebay. You can buy a used copy of VRay for about $750, people are selling them all the time. My point is that you are passing up an opportunity for C4D that you probably won't see again nearly that cheap.

    Sorry, but I just don't see it in regards to archviz. There are some good ones though. I do agree that in all of the realms of CG you have to put in your time and know what you are doing to get good results. There are no flukes.

    A lot of pros would disagree with you again on that point.

    Gotta disagree with you on this one also. Trimble took over the product and the whole team! Many times a new company means a fresh start and new outlook. I would have to say that it was Google that was letting the product go stale. They have their fingers in too many pies to focus on what Sketchup can and should be. Making it 64 bit and implementing some of the advanced functionality created by ruby scripts would make it a modeling app that would give others a serious run for their money. With all the volatility going on in the world - especially in the EU, the birthplace of C4D - you can't count on anything going forward in a professional context. Volatility is the new norm.

    Google doesn't ditch money making products that have a future.

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    lylemills    0
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  • It's actually to go from R12 to R13. No ideal about R14. I was actually able to get R12 visualize and go to studio for a total price of $3000. Which is a major discount over the $4000 list for studio back in 2010. However, if you wait long enough every software upgrade is going to cost you more... And if you wait long enough, you won't be able to upgrade, but have to purchase the whole thing outright.

    <p>My original question for this post was the economy of getting better/faster renders and vray experience over an R14 upgrade that may not have much impact on what I am using the software for. Nobody has pointed out the specific features that would make me change my mind. I have researched the new features for R13 & 14

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