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41 minutes ago, HSrdelic said:

So I am liar? :)

 

 

I'm not calling you a liar but I have to admit I'm skeptical as to you knowing what AD or SideFX are up to, development wise. How could you possibly know unless you are part of their development team? And if you are isn't that a conflict of interest since you are a MAXON employee?

 

I know from my time on the MAXON beta that C4D beta testers have no idea what's being worked on apart from the forthcoming features in the version they are testing. I would imagine it's the same for other companies.

 

So - maybe you need to back your statement up - are you a beta tester for Maya/Max or Houdini or part of their development team? If not then you are at least stretching the truth here.. ;)

 

-- Back to the topic in hand.

It's great to see this announcement from MAXON but sadly for me it feels a little too late as I'm working with C4D less and less these days. That's just the direction the nature of my work has taken me I guess. Right now I'm on a 4-month contract as part of a team developing a game and all of the work is in Maya so it will be at least May this year before I work in C4D again. Last Cinema job I did was in December for Nickelodeon and that was in R16 as that's what they were using. I've yet to use R17 for any commercial work sad to say.

 

 

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37 minutes ago, HSrdelic said:

 I would rather prefer other members voice themselves and express their opinions, questions, reactions, concerns etc. It is simply not fair to other members that we have this discussion on public topic anymore.

With that said, I have this to add...

I have no idea what "codswallop" means either but a brief lookup shows it as a British colloquialism for "nonsense".

I am so happy we finally cleared that up.

Dave

 

 

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46 minutes ago, HSrdelic said:

So I am liar? :)

 

Using English native phrases which I can't really decipher shows how superficial you are in communication and thinking things through...

On my language you would be a typical "serator"

 

Yes! And it takes just a pinch of intelligence and objectivity to answer that one since the answer itself is in the question you ask. You can't "flip a switch", this leads to catastrophic repercussions such as instability, frequent crashes and freezes, broken tools etc. This is delicate and can't be done instantly. This is exactly what I am trying to convey to you when I say that you simply don't understand the process. When you are referring to R17 being thin, bear in mind that Takes, although to you they may not seem as a big deal are a in fact massive feature (mostly appreciated by pros and studios) and are not an afterthought. They are deeply integrated scene management tool. Spline tools also - seemingly simple but they are not.

 

Again, shows that you simply don't understand :)
You already have parts of new Core in R16, it is already inside and existing. It is not vapourware if it is already present.

 

One more thing to understand is following. This is common knowledge, you can google it. When you are creating a software of this magnitude there are many stages of development. It is not a matter of writing a code and releasing it into wild. The simplest breakdown is that One (many) has to conceive, conceptualize, design, code and document the code, test, pass all stages from Prototype to RC, write documentation and help, bugfix and maintain with service packs etc. If that would be easy task then there would be hundreds of generalist 3D apps, where in fact there are just few. The scope of the job is unimaginable to people not acquainted with software development.

Now please forgive me, I will excuse myself from further communication with you on this matter, I would rather prefer other members voice themselves and express their opinions, questions, reactions, concerns etc. It is simply not fair to other members that we have this discussion on public topic anymore.

 

 

Are you a liar? I dunno it depends on whether you consider being a ****** artist of the the first order is a liar? Do you?

The more you write the more it appears you think you're being clever but in fact the more ridiculous your narrative is appearing. You seem to take delight in the straw man and ad hom attacks and that says everything about you and nothing about me.

You'd like to the uninitiated forum user to think that software is developed serially when in fact program cores and features are coded in parallel with each other often in complete isolation. You have no answer as to why R17 was so light and why the oh so bright future of C4D is still 'several' years away. Why weren't features that would benefit from the new core scheduled much earlier for development instead? No I don't think you switch on development but you can schedule it better so the customer isn't waiting for Godot.

If anyone is interested there are several animations on Vimeo that track the commits during software development and they clearly show how modern software is developed. If you know the data structures of the core you can develop other branches of the main program in isolation.

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I have more than enough contacts throughout industry to have a decent insight into current state of some applications. That coupled with some knowledge I accumulated over the years puts me in position to objectively judge possibilities of one architecture based on it's base, approach, age etc. Also, each company actively seeks employees with specific characteristics and has to follow some market trends. It is not difficult to put all that together and come up with quite accurate picture.

I recall that I accurately predicted in 2009 that MAXON works on core rewrite an I guessed most of the features for next release. Was not in beta nor anywhere close to them at that moment. Unfortunately this posts are gone since Cafe took a hit while Nigel was moving it to another hosting so that is just my word there, nothing else, but hope you could recall that :)

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1 minute ago, HSrdelic said:

Brian    

I have more than enough contacts throughout industry to have a decent insight into current state of some applications. That coupled with some knowledge I accumulated over the years puts me in position to objectively judge possibilities of one architecture based on it's base, approach, age etc. Also, each company actively seeks employees with specific characteristics and has to follow some market trends. It is not difficult to put all that together and come up with quite accurate picture.

I recall that I accurately predicted in 2009 that MAXON works on core rewrite an I guessed most of the features for next release. Was not in beta nor anywhere close to them at that moment. Unfortunately this posts are gone since Cafe took a hit while Nigel was moving it to another hosting.

So nothing to substantiate your claims at all.

The reality is you have no idea what is going on in Autodesk, SideFX or The Foundry or the IP they are working on.

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You know, we need to keep this civil -- focus on the points, facts and data and leave peoples character out of it.  There is no reason why anyone should take this level of abuse, particularly someone who supports the Cafe in his spare time (I am sure that HSrdelic has more important MAXON related matters to attend to).  We treated Srek this way and he never came back.  I would hate to lose our Moderator and the Cafe with it.

Big minds talk about ideas...small minds talk about people.

Dave

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Just now, DPangel said:

All,

You know, we need to keep this civil -- focus on the points, facts and data and leave peoples character out of it.  There is no reason why anyone should take this level of abuse, particularly someone who supports the Cafe in his spare time (I am sure that HSrdelic has more important MAXON related matters to attend to).  We treated Srek this way and he never came back.  I would hate to lose our Moderator and the Cafe with it.

Big minds talk about ideas...small minds talk about people.

Dave

No worries @DPangel, Hrvoje will not go anywhere any time soon. ;) His a big fellow, he earned his respect by doing not talking. 

If this continues with this tone, I will lock this topic just as Nigel did back in the days. Reading some comments brings me to thinking, why would anyone spend time bashing at Maxon just to prove his point? With tone like this, nothing will change I am sure of it. As I always like to say, you just can't please all. 

If this isn't enough from Maxon for some, then move on or deal with it, simple as that. 

 

 

Igor


| MAXON Quality Assurance Specialist | 3D Asset Creator | C4D Cafe Manager |

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11 minutes ago, HSrdelic said:

Brian    

I have more than enough contacts throughout industry to have a decent insight into current state of some applications. That coupled with some knowledge I accumulated over the years puts me in position to objectively judge possibilities of one architecture based on it's base, approach, age etc. Also, each company actively seeks employees with specific characteristics and has to follow some market trends. It is not difficult to put all that together and come up with quite accurate picture.

I recall that I accurately predicted in 2009 that MAXON works on core rewrite an I guessed most of the features for next release. Was not in beta nor anywhere close to them at that moment. Unfortunately this posts are gone since Cafe took a hit while Nigel was moving it to another hosting so that is just my word there, nothing else, but hope you could recall that :)

 

Hmmm.. so you guessed that MAXON, who were constantly getting complaints that their software was slow, might 7 years later announce that they are working on it.. sorry but you didn't have to be Nostradamus to come up with that one..  ;)

Sorry but your claims that you know the future for other apps are purely subjective from my point of view.

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10 minutes ago, Cutman said:

So nothing to substantiate your claims at all.

The reality is you have no idea what is going on in Autodesk, SideFX or The Foundry or the IP they are working on.

Not true.  I have been with the Cafe since 2009 and I do recall HSrdelic's predictions on new C4D releases being amazingly on-point (and he was NOT a MAXON employee then).  I used to search for his posts prior to each release to see what he was thinking.  When he joined MAXON, that was a  both good and bad news...the bad being that he could no longer make those predictions.

Dave

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11 minutes ago, DPangel said:

Not true.  I have been with the Cafe since 2009 and I do recall HSrdelic's predictions on new C4D releases being amazingly on-point (and he was NOT a MAXON employee then).  I used to search for his posts prior to each release to see what he was thinking.  When he joined MAXON, that was a  both good and bad news...the bad being that he could no longer make those predictions.

Dave

Your signature suggests you're into unsubstantiated belief systems so it comes as no surprise you'd lap up what HSrdic says as fact.

Sorry, I require evidence to back up claims. If HSrdelic was able to say he worked for all these companies at one time his claim might have a tiny bit more credibility but would still suffer from the obvious fact he isn't working for them now and therefore wouldn't know what their current plans are. Just as anyone one at AD, SideFX wouldn't know MAXON's current development plans beyond what is publicly available unless a recent employee transfer has brought IP with them.

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