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  1. I have always used the mouse wheel to zoom in C4D.  Functions prima.
    In R23, when I use the mouse wheel, the scene view will scroll up and down. To simulate the previous behaviour, I have to hold down Ctrl, in addition.  This is unacceptable. So I wanted to turn of touch support. As we could before.,


    However, the check box is gone.
    How do I fix this in R23? I want the mouse wheel bahaviour I had in previous versions back!



  2. Ok, thanks.
    Firstly, I just cannot get the filter to work properly. In my hierarchy, there are 275 polygons. When applying the filter, only a fraction of those will show up.

    Here is how I solved it - I pressed Ctrl + F1 and read the C4D manual 😆

    I copied the hierarchy over to a new blank project.

    I then turned on the filter and right clicked, the chose Select all 'Polygon'.
    The rest is obvious, I now could cut, then paste all polygons in under another null.





  3. I have a setup using xpFollowSpline.
    Everything works very fine. Have no questions here.
    Now, I want to use a Sprite with Sprite Type set to text.

    And as soon as I do that, the animation slows down to a crawl. Already when the total number of particles is 33.
    So - Cinema C4D can handle thousands of objects without being sluggish. What is going on here? A mere 33 letters in the viewport bringing x-particles down on it's knees?




  4. On 10/5/2020 at 12:54 PM, Rectro said:

    The Mocap files are useful to learn and try out the Character definitions and Motion Solver.  Rather than import your own to try this out they have given you fast access to some Mocap files.  If you go back there was plenty of people including me complaining about retargeting, the wrong  joint orientations would mess it up enough to not use it. Dan

    All in all, Dan, you have some real valid points. My (a little harsh) reaction to the R23 overall first-impression, stems from my feeling of MAXON releasing yet another tech preview. 
    When it comes to the "wrong  joint orientations", I fixed this myself with the C++ plugins I programmed myself already in 2013. Pity I don't have the time / resources right now to make these plugins mature enough the be public available.
    I also agree that the sum of the new animation enhancements is larger than one might think, just casting a glance at it.
    I am about to purchase an upgrade to R23 now.


  5. 3 hours ago, hobbyist said:


    😮 I didn't know about this...


    Googled it and sure enough here they are



    Yup - you found it!
    And, if you subscribe to the Truebones newsletter, now and then you will get "500 BVH files for free", or a whole bunch of other animations for a reasonable price. Considering the overwhelming amount of already captured animations out there - available and free, then Mocap inclusion in C4D is somewhat peculiar. It doesn't hurt. And it is nice. But it doesn't add any real value. 

  6. 2 hours ago, everfresh said:

    . i was wondering why they included those mocap files as well, could be it was mainly because the mocap actress who made those works for redgiant, so it was considered low hanging fruit? certainly didn't eat up any dev time, so where's the problem? might be of use for some people.

    Ok. No big problem. It just creates a dissonance with me.
    Let’s look at it this (my) way:
    MAXON C4D is a super professional 3D solution.
    MAXON C4D oozes quality, because of being programmed in an almost military-spec’d, or even space technology spec’d way. It is rock solid, hardly will crash, ever.
    MAXON C4D is a very expensive.

    These factors also apply to a Rolls Royce car.
    The feeling I got when saw these Mocap animations, was how I would feel if Rolls Royce came bundles with a set of extra gas station acquired tires, and that this was advertised. Tucked away in the trunk, ok. But not advertised.


  7. 3 hours ago, everfresh said:

    idk why you see very little practical use of the new features regarding animation.

    Have you tested it copying an animation form an FBX imported character?
    Tested it with imported BVH files, where the X,Y,Z axis is oriented differently than the C4D standard? 

    Gimbal locks - catered for?


    What I reacted to the most, was the inclusion of Mocap files. Why? There are literally thousands upon thousands of free BVH Mocap files out on the Internet. If I recall correct, there is(was) a University  or an official institution, that released their whole BVH library, for free. Besides of all this, you have Truebones  where you can purchase thousands of mocaps. For bipedals as well as quadropods, as well as birds, insects and so on.
    I myself have a considerably large library of Mocaps/BVH/FBX animations, all kinds of movements.
    So I don't understand why MAXON included these rather few Mocaps. Because, if you do animation, it will be pure luck if you at all find what you are looking for there, after all. That's my experience.  As a result of this, despite my own large (steadily growing) library, I use Kinect sensors to record my own movements, when needed.    



  8. 1 hour ago, Jops said:


    So you got a offer for a perpetual (!) update from R21 to R23 for 600 - 650 € +Vat? That would be very interesting and never heard of (at least that I am aware).

    The last year with MSA cost me 740,-   €
    Upgrade from R21 -->R23 is 850,- €
    All prices are ex VAT
    To what extent the MSA was more expensive here in Norway, than in some other countries, I do not know. But probably.
    Now, considering that most stuff costs more this year, than last year, I didn't even lift an eyebrow, when I saw this price.

    As I have said, C4D is a super-expensive hobby/free time activity for me. I do live on the dream of publishing my C++ plugins, and perhaps make some money. But that will happen at the end of a long tunnel I am in now..
    I have one strong principle  though - I do not rent software. Jumped the Adobe ship some years ago, last version I own is  the Creative Suite CS6. 
    So to sum it up:
    MAXON can run their subscription  model as much as they want, for me, as long as I can purchase perpetual licenses. And - they keep their license servers running 😆
    The upgrade price is absolutely acceptable.

  9. Hi folks,
    thanks a lot for your replies.
    I contacted MAXON, and got a link to the shop where I can purchase an upgrade R21 --> R23.
    The price is approximately the same as my old MSA agreement. So, I have nothing to complain about, regarding this. In fact, if they continue to offer me an annual upgrade, like this, I am satisfied.

    I have had a look at the new features in R23. 

    And here are my comments:
    I have no idea why I need Red Giant inside C4D. I feel these effects belong in post, in a video NLE, After Effects etc.
    I have no use for a realistic preview/render inside the viewport (reflections etc.)

    I do not do much character modeling and seldom UV painting.


    The user interface has gotten several nice new features, that I probably will miss if using older versions, when getting used to R23. 

    New generator(s) and deformer(s) can be really useful, when getting used to them. And in some cases, be worth the upgrade alone.


    In the animation field, there is a lot of new stuff. Things I ought to be excited about. Because I do animation, yes.  But having given it some thought.. these new features somehow pile up, they add to an already comprehensive toolbox in C4D. And I wonder if I will spend more time getting used to the new features, than the time I save. 


    Now - I do wonder about how many out there really use C4D for character animation. The reason I ask, is that I see little practical use of the new stuff, if I were a  professional character animator. Seven years ago, in 2013, I did a lot of character animation. And since my profession is programming (not multimedia), I wrote several character animation plugins in C++.  My own version of Character Definition, written in 2013, is, IMHO, way better than the one in R23. Is uses a different logic, and has several important additional functions that an animator must have, as I see it.  Currently these plugins compile for R14 --> R19.  
    (No plans to publish/release any time soon)

    So I am not sure. I'll sit on the fence for a while. And wait until the feeling of paying for a tech preview is gone 🙂

    But most important - for me it is still business as usual between me and MAXON. If I wish,  I can upgrade my C4D, get a perpetual license for the new version, and the price is the same as before. 


  10. Has everyone left?
    I purchased C4D R13 Studio in 2012, and was on the MSA all the time since then. I have all C4D Studio versions, including R21.

    Due to several reasons, I have lived under a stone the last months, when it comes to C4D. The start of September used to be the the highlight of the year, a new C4D version released!! This year - silence.
    What is the status now? Is there an R22? Will there ever be?

    Subscriptions is out of the question here. I use C4D for non-profit projects. I buy a version, own it, and can use it whenever I want. Take it out of the closet, brush off some dust, and there it is. I pay for Redshift and X-Particles, for the same reason. The stuff I bought doesn't just evaporate.
    My computers  are chock full of expensive software. I have legal licenses for everything. Red Giant, Boris, a pile of Steinberg FX, various video NLEs plus plus plus. And all the other companies, manufacturing these products, they  send me e-mails with upgrade offerings. Because, they like my money.
    From MAXON - silent as in a tomb. I haven't gotten any e-mails form MAXON offering me an upgrade from R21. NONE.
    So, perhaps the last one leaving here can kindly turn off the light..


  11. Your'e hired!
    This work is so impressive - I have no words.
    For me, C4D is a tool used to get the message through. And this technique is even more efficient for this purpose than all the super-realistic renderings in the world there is.


  12. On 10/7/2019 at 12:58 PM, DMcGavran said:

    Cairyn has it correct.   You have an MSA contract with a reseller that auto renews.  The last auto renews that will renew are from (mostly) European distributors and resellers in September and October.  Assuming you didn't cancel it, it renews.  MAXON and resellers have the same cancelation policy as you, we need to cancel the next renew 3 months in advance.  If you have an MSA that renews you will get R21 perpetual (already delivered) to keep.  If your MSA extends past our next perpetual release you will get that as well.  



    >If your MSA extends past our next perpetual release you will get that as well.  

    It is impossible for me to get anything tangible out of this.
    I pay for software in order to get software licenses. The MSA was mostly convenient for MAXON, making it possible to forecast incomes and to better plan for the future. For the customers, it meant earlier access to releases, and favorable pricing.
    But at the end of the day, as a customer, you have to get perpetual licenses, otherwise it is money out of the window. 
    For the time being, as opposed to the last years, it is not clear anymore what I get out of the MSA agreement.
    For me, MAXON can cancel the agreement immediately. I will then see if there will be an R22 I can purchase using normal upgrade policies.

  13. On 10/7/2019 at 2:28 PM, Cairyn said:

    Hmm, the interesting question with this kind of phrasing is whether there will be a R22 Perpetual release within the runtime of still-open MSAs. If there will not be a release in September 2020, people who paid now for their last MSA extension (which would, with the previous release schedule, cover R22) would feel quite disappointed, to say the least, if the release is delayed beyond the end date of their MSA, and they would not be eligible for an R22 any more. While I am not affected personally, I still hope MAXON has made plans for that occurrence (and I don't mean "get a subscription").

    My thoughts exactly.
    Firstly: Lots of Thank You to you, Cairyn, and to the others here who have given valuable input. I am happy to see you folks engaged in this, even if it is not your particular case here.
    I will reply to DMcGavran in a separate post.


  14. Hi Cairyn,
    now I am really confused.
    What you say here, is that it is business as usual regarding MSA?

    "MAXON told Greyscalegorilla that the MSA program will no longer continue"



    If you use the chart here, released from GeryscaleGorilla, there is no mention of the MSA whatsoever after September 2019.


    I am absolutely 100% confused.
    Not the least because it is not clear that there even will be a R22 at all / or when it, in case it will come, will be released. The yearly cycle of one release 1.st September can be broken. I believe this is realistic, when I read the rather cryptic statements coming from MAXON.
    So to continue with MSA one more year to get  R22 at a good price, it seems very strange right now.
    Considering MAXON officially has stopped MSA and that MAXON might go the Microsoft route with Windows 10: Constant C4D updates, no new major version.



  15. I believe I did start paying for the MSA in October 2014. And not i January 2015. Which contradicts the statement that "MSA follows the calendar year".
    If this is the case, I have already paid for 5 full years. I will have to check my account books.


  16. 26 minutes ago, Lonchaney said:

    If you have an auto-renew MSA and you do not cancel it then I believe you still have to pay.

    But hasn't MAXON itself cancelled the MSA?


    New MAXON Service Agreements are no longer available as of July 30, 2019. Renewals of MAXON Service Agreements will no longer be available after August 31, 2019.

    As far as I understand, auto-renew isn't possible according to this. I will try to find the MSA agreement I have agreed upon. But there is something wrong here.


  17. Hi, isn't MSA history by now?
    I got an invoice today, from the Norwegian representative for MAXON. MSA payment.
    When I protest, they claim that the MSA follows the calendar year, and that I still have to pay, as long as it is 2019.
    Is this correct? Does the MSA follow the calendar year? Isn't MSA over and out, totally? 
    What if I don't pay? Will my Perpetual license for R21 be rendered invalid?
    What about you, some of you are former MSA subscribers, do you still pay for the MSA?


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