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  1. Interesting that you didn't get a subscription promotion as a past MSA user. They are pretty good about that. You will not get any emails about perpetual license upgrades. That is NOT the path they want you to take as their goal is to lock you into a subscription (or re-occurring revenue). As Hobbyist stated, you need to contact MAXON about perpetual licenses. Also, as an R21 license holder, should you decide to accept any discounted offer on a subscription be sure to read the fine print. Some of these discounts also come with stipulations that your current R21 perpetual lice
  2. Hey a quick search on the web said skydiving was #1 on the expensive hobby list. On reflection, I would have to say that the cost of a CG as a hobby is probably up there with a mild-golf addiction. Probably not as much as owning a boat or trout fishing. But what is interesting is that I call those white collar "bougie" types of hobbies. The type of hobbies held by people who take weekend getaways to their condo's in the mountains or have wine cellars (or at least wine cooler's -- but well stocked wine coolers). I always think of computer graphics artists as beer drinkers whose
  3. Igor, I had no idea you left MAXON! What is MAXON's loss is U-Render's gain. Yes... life can change fast and the world of cooperate America can change even faster. I think the high point for everyone was when R20 was released. That was a milestone release and for many, cemented our commitment to C4D. And then C4D wins a technical Oscar! OMG! C4D is now getting the respect it deserves and I no longer have to mutter its name when conversing with Maya an Modo users. And then MAXON purchases Red Shift! Who saw that coming! MAXON is getting aggressive. Honestly, I don't thin
  4. Agreed. The cost of subscriptions in the C4D world (noted above) if you are real enthusiast and want software, plugins, additional render engines, training, etc can easily equate to that of leasing a pretty cheap car. I looked up what the most expensive hobby was and it turned out to be skydiving as the cost of a each jump is $300/person. I think if you did 12 jumps a year ($3600), then it compares favorably to having C4D as a hobby when you consider all the subscription fees plus the money you need to put aside for new computer hardware. Now this may not be 100% accurate (I have never go
  5. I certainly hope not or the two of us will never move the needle on giving the hobbyist a break on staying with the program. My sincere hope is that the hobbyist is enough of a customer block to MAXON that our sales (or lack of them) mean something to their quarterly income statement. Pleading, whining, cajoling and hoping won't do a thing. MAXON is a major company in a big market. Don't get all warm and fuzzy thinking that they will have empathy for the hobbyist who is not a fan of subscriptions - who wants something permanent that they can keep using if they can no longer affo
  6. All, With all due apologies to the Daniel Sterckx (Dast in the Forums) and the moderators, I thought I would put in a plug for PolyDup from Tools & Pixels. A very handy plugin for mesh creation and my personal favorite: greebling. I had no idea it was released back in July as the only notification on the Cafe was this post from Daniel at the end of a 4 page thread. What is especially sad is that Daniel is closing the site for various reasons. IMHO, this is a loss to the C4D community. On the plus side he is having a 50% off sale on all of his product
  7. If I was a professional using C4D to earn a living, then ANY subscription plan makes sense, especially if you have core employees and then need to expand for a particular job (eg. Core employees go with the annual plans, transitional employees go on the monthly plan). If your business is predictable enough, you could easily buy X more seats than core employees in anticipation of those busy times as the monthly rates do add up quickly. But as a hobbyist, subscriptions are not preferred because you can never go back to your work should you no longer be able to afford the subscripti
  8. There are a few really cool YouTube channels that I wanted to share with people. In the past, I recommended Corridor Crew (one of their members, Clinton Jones, spoke at a MAXON webinar last month). All of these sites support my love for visual effects: a craft I have admired since the 1960's when I first saw 7th Voyage of Sinbad (an old Ray Harryhausen movie). I firmly believe that to be a better CGI artist, you need to study how they used to fake reality using physical methods. Remember that the old methods helped form the visual language we try to replicate in the computer today. That
  9. Always a huge surprise when you get an email from Holger explaining that he has updated his scripts and he provides a free download link. I 100% agree that Holger knocks it out of the park with both his support and the brilliance of his scripts. Folks...there has to be a reason why he has sold 1000 of them!!! Well worth the money and a must have. While clearly explained in his email, I just want re-iterate that V2.33 is for R23 compatibility only (no new features or bug fixes). If you don't have R23, you can stay on V2.32 which is compatible back to R21.
  10. Agreed. I do admire the admin's modesty and like the concept of the admins removing themselves from the social media syndrome of tallying your "likes" by pegging the quantity to 1,000,000. But while your totals won't change beyond the 1,000,000 values you have, wouldn't you at least want to get some immediate feedback on your posts? I for one really appreciate some of the posts from the admins and wanted to show my gratitude. But (to be honest), it is only on a few rare occasions that the situation warranted a private PM. Much easier to just hit like an move on. Dav
  11. While I agree, my expectation is that there would eventually two classes of nodes - but both functioning within the same architecture. The lower class of nodes would be equivalent to Xpresso and hopefully future versions of C4D can load in older versions of C4D that use Xpresso rigs. Given how Xpresso is used in rigs (characters, models, lights, etc), they really need to keep supporting it but within the new architecture. That would be the ideal case. Just like they moved to the latest version of Python, my understanding is that the changes are not that significant to the older
  12. Hmmm.... Things seem to be moving your way relative to currency conversion. Just 10 days ago the conversion rate was 1.12681 euro's per GPB now it is 1.08337. So if the upgrade was 850 GPB, then in the last 10 days (just due to currency conversion rates alone) your Euro price dropped from 957.79 euro's to 920.87 euro's. The trend is down because I understand that the UK is slower to financially recover than the rest of Europe from the Corona virus so the Euro is stronger than the pound right now. Interesting that there is no direct seller in yo
  13. I asked specifically if the current R20 to R23 upgrade price would be in place for future releases: in essence, is this a one-time sale to increase sales or a policy? Unfortunately, I got this standard response from Mr. McGavran found here Interesting how the whole R20 to R23 price, like all perpetual license costs, is a bit of a deep dark secret in that it is not posted on the MAXON web-site. One has to wonder why? Why is any pricing information on any perpetual license upgrades not made more public? Well, I submit that the reason is that the number of us
  14. No worries. I had to laugh at your first line though! I feel your pain! We all do. But you get it...this can be an expensive hobby that has no practical applications other than feed your own soul. My brother has wood working as a hobby. A real master too! Yes...he probably spends close to what we spend on his hobby but when he is done his wife has a dining room set. Far more practical. Dave
  15. Agreed. Funny how they can do it for the billed monthly crowd at $89. Not really sure what their concern is over monthly billing at the annual subscription price and I do not accept that legal mumbo jumbo about how leases work in various countries. I would imagine that the US is a pretty major market and you could make it work here. If Srek's comments about Mr. McGavran pushing everyone is true, then he can push the development of different versions of the license server for different regions. Geeze...MAXON is supposed to be a global company after all. Get with the times...hire a few acc
  16. MAXON One may be king for the professional user but as a fellow hobbyist, I do not see it. In order to take full advantage of Red Giant, you need After Effects, which means Creative Cloud for $635.88 USD per year. Total subscription cost is then $1,834.92 when you add in MAXON One. Honestly, that is like buying a full license of C4D every two years. Not sure how much of a discount you are expecting in the future for MAXON One, but right now that is a lot of cash every year to rent software (remember -- you stop paying you are left with nothing). Add in other costs for this hobby like keep
  17. You forget Shrikes comments. He praised the license manager for being able to shift subscription seats around within his business. Therefore, businesses may find that due to their own financial outlook due to Covid-19's impact on the entertainment industry they may re-up the annual subscription for less seats then they had in 2019. Remember, all those annual subscription seats are coming due this month as it has been about one year since they were first introduced. If the business future is a little bleak for any studio, then they are going to drop a few to meet their own financial needs.
  18. Agreed. An annual $1000 upgrade price is something I am NOT signing up for. I would be perfectly happy just buying a whole new license every 4 to 5 years than shell out that much cash for an upgrade given how slow MAXON is to release new features. Also, this is a key year for MAXON. This is the first year where people under the MSA program are now facing a choice: Subscription or Perpetual. Business owners will choose subscription but I would guess that given how hard Covid-19 hit the entertainment industry, there may not be as many subscription sales in 2020 as there were
  19. I know your comment about what is being explored applies to C4D's capabilities and that you probably have no insight to where the internal discussions are going on indie licenses. Honestly, I do hope that indie licenses are being as carefully considered as the ongoing development of Neutron. The comments made by Shrike and Dasfrodo that missing indie/young/hobby users at a lower price point will starve MAXON of future revenue cannot be ignored. While I state that Blender gives us options, I guess it is also true that hacked software gives them options too (which is really sad)
  20. There is also some NEW information in Mr. McGavran's post that I wish I had known about last year prior to upgrading from R20 to R21 at the MSA price for the last time...and that is the ability to do a perpetual license upgrade from R20 to R23 for the same cast as upgrading from R21 to R23. Had I known that, I would have waited. When was that plan publicly announced? Probably never (AFAIK). Here is why: I would imagine that revenue from existing customers is greater than revenue from new customers. Subscription prices are fixed for current subscribers and I come to t
  21. This was the main problem with being a Studio MSA holder in the past and paying a premium for that MSA over what Prime and Broadcast license holders pay and then finding out that the latest release has no benefits unique to the Studio version. In essence, why am I paying more for the same benefits everyone else is getting at a lower price. Well, at least under the MSA program and the perpetual license program, if you don't like where the program is going you can opt out and STILL have access to your current version. Not so with subscriptions. If you opt-out, you have nothing unt
  22. It is not my intent and I apologize if it appears that way. Very clearly explained and a bit surprising as this upgrade pricing from R20 is new information to me. If I may respectfully tread on your patience one more time: Is this pricing policy unique to the transition from MSA programs to perpetual or will it be offered when the next full perpetual license is released (say - for the sake of argument - R25). Will I be able to go two full license upgrades in the future (for example from R21 to R25) for 850 euros? I would imagine that this would
  23. Plus, their pricing web-page has a "change region" function...so I would imagine that it could automatically factor in the currency and taxes in the pricing when you change regions. Unfortunately, Mr. McGavran's post even added more confusion because he stated that 850 euro cost was upgrading from R20 OR R21....the key word being "or". Plus R20 was the pre-license and pre-subscription so this DEFINITELY IMPLIES one cost on whether you are upgrading one full release to two full releases....provided that is what Mr. McGavran meant to say. Very interested in hearing mo
  24. So you can go two full "perpetual" licenses for one price (850 euro or $1003 USD) as you said "R20 or R21 --> R23"??? I know with S22 in the mix, sequentially numbered upgrades along the perpetual path are a thing of the past, but you did mention R20 in your post which implies two full perpetual license upgrades (R20 --> R21 --> R23). Again, to be clear because this is important, is the 850 euro price the cost for upgrading to the next release ONLY or will it ALSO be the cost to upgrade two full releases in the future?
  25. Once again, no R23 perpetual upgrade pricing at the web-site. Can anyone from MAXON please explain why perpetual upgrade pricing is such a deep, dark secret? Why do I have to call the local sales office? This has been asked but not answered by a number of people over the last year and MAXON has been quiet about it. Again, not sure why. I do have a couple of theories though: MAXON is embarrassed by the price - they know it is high relative to how loyal customers upgraded in the past via the MSA. Originally, the perpetual upgrade price WAS goin
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